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"In 1993, a modernized Makarov pistol was introduced, chambered for the 57-N-181M 9x18 round, which is a high-velocity, high-penetration version of the original. Several new submachineguns have been chambered for this new round. In terms of wound ballistics, this new cartridge is equivalent to the 9x19 Parabellum round. Externally identical to the original 9x18 Makarov, it can be distinguished by its conically shaped projectile, which has been designed to penetrate soft body armor and mild steel plate. IT CANNOT BE SAFELY FIRED IN OLDER MAKAROV PISTOLS." The vast majority of 9x18 ammunition in the USA comes from Europe, and is loaded to less than 1000 fps in the original loadings (Shotgun News Vol.60, Issue 22) Your comment about "domestic stuff", even if true, is useless. Quote:
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Well, fiocchi is loaded to 1050 fps and some of the stuff from brown bear and silver bear are even hotter with heavier bullets so your theory is out the window. Quote:
Its not wild speculation. Do a search here and see how many used hi-points you see for sale. As for a use $75 hi-point, maybe just maybe if its in pristine condition, and even then its a stretch. A quality pistol is a far better investment and will hold its resale value. Thats not speculation its simply what the market dictates. Quote:
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It may also be of note that Cor-Bon doesn't catalog the 9x18 in the 2006 listings. The Barnaul ammo tested was heavier than Barnaul lists, and faster. The Wolf ammo is also heavier than the listed loads. I would like to point out that the Hornady loading was 50 fps slower than listed, too. It would appear that barrel lengths in rated speeds aren't all the same. Other than the FMJ load, all of the tested loads failed the 12" minimum depth that the quoted boxotruth used as a criterion for "adequate penetration" in ballistic gel. So, what would you have the people believe? Your "facts" are at odds with each other. Quote:
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With a High Point, you can learn the basics of safety, handling, sight alignment, trigger control, and cleaning and lubricating the weapon. You can do it just as well with the High Point as you can with a Korth, or a top-of-the-line Sig or HK. I haven't advocated buying a High Point over any other weapon. I simply point out that it works for the basics as WELL as the others. You might not like it, but you haven't disproven it, either. |
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I bght a hundred rounds of Remington Jacked Hollow Point 9mm today. Will get to the range in the next day or two on how well they fed in my Hi Point C9.
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To answer the original question. . .
I bought one. I was tight on jack, and some gun is better than no gun, you know?
I put a lot of rounds through it. A LOT. reliably. It started pooping on me...ftf, ftf, ftf. Real annoying. It wouldn't shoot to point of aim. So, it turns out they make a taller sight for it. I got me one of them, it started shooting where I pointed it. After some research, I discovered blowback pistols (the kind Hi-point c9's are) are prone to weakening the firing spring and pin. Hi-Point was awesome about shipping whatever I needed next-day air. And now, it's a pretty good gun. it's heavy, ugly, feels like the trigger contains about a pound of sand behind its sixty pund pull, and that son of a gun sprays lead every single time. It is world's greatest truck gun. I shot my CCW exam with it. For the money, you can't beat it. I hated this thing, and now I kind of like it. CajunBass is pretty good with 'em...you might chat with him. Liam |
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I promised to report back when I got to the range shooting my compact C9 9mm from Hi Point. I shot FMJ and Federal hollow points with ZERO problems of any kind. Gun is pretty darn accurate too. Both 8 and 10 rd mags.
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Update: Two or three more trips to the range, and still not the slightest problem with my HP C9 compact 9mm. Now total of probably 300 rds +. Accurate and reliable at 7, 15 and 25 yrds. Almost as much fun as my SA 1911. I must say, I am not the worlds best marksman with any gun.
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I bought a Hi-Point .45ACP about six months back and it had a few problems at first but after around 100 rounds it stopped jamming and works great but it does not seem to like Wolf ammo for some reason.
And I also got a Hi-Point 9mm carbine that also had a few problems but cleared up after 100-150 rounds. And here is a great forum for Hi-Point(and any other gun)owners.I think it is CajunBass's forum I know he is a moderator. http://hipoint.7.forumer.com/ Michael.
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I don't own a gun (never have) but I've been planning to purchase one for sometime for home/family/personal defense. I'm in the process of putting things together for any emergency situations that might come up. Katrina taught me some very valuable lessons. After reading all of your threads and a review from shootingtimes I've decided that I'm going to by a Hi-Point.
Why??? 1. Economics (all I can afford at the moment). 2. People who know more about guns than I do seem to be impressed with their accuracy and quality. Anyway I let y'all know how it works out. |
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the only debate thats contested more than the hi-point vs. everybody else is 9mm vs. 45. How many high dollar guns have a no questions asked, lifetime guarantee? Part of the rason you dont see used hi points is those that own them KEEP THEM. My local dealer cant get hi points in fast enough. he orders them 50 at a time and usually has them all sold before they hit the shop. Ive owned over 50 different handguns of various makes and the only ones i still own are a glock 17, hi point 9mm, hi point 45, colt MKIII trooper .357, raven .25 and cz70 .32. the hi points are shot the most. For everyone who says a hi point is a bad choice, go borrow one and shoot it. No its not a tack driver, no its not very good looking, no its not good for CCW. It does what its intended to do exceedingly well. Put lead downrange for minimum investment and with maximum reliability.
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i got one in 45 acp.love it shoots real good out of the box.can't say the that it a good looking gun,and it is a heavy gun to carry but it put my bullet where point,and all that matter to me to able to hit what aiming at.and price didn't breck the bank.
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The Hi-Point C9 was in Combat Handguns (Nov. 2006 issue).
http://www.defensereview.com/modules...rticle&sid=928 (On the bottom where it says "Gun Tests".) http://www.harrisoutdoorgroup.com/CHbacknov06.html From the article: "Hi-Point C9 9mm: A no-nonsense, no-frills sureshot you can bet your life on!" |
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I have a C9 compact 9mm myself, got it about 6 wks ago. I was looking for something to carry that wasn't too big, minimum cal 9mm. I really liked the G26 but the price was too high. Perhaps after tax time this one will be the #2 pistol but for now it's the only one I have. Previously only owned shotguns although I've fired many types of weapons over the years. The C9 works great, I like the function and controls, and the fact that it has a manual safety. I don't like the way it comes apart (you have to punch out a roll pin) but it does come apart. They say you don't have to take it apart to clean it every time you fire it, but I was not raised that way. It's a little bulky for carry, my wife can tell when I have it on me but noone else has noticed. She says it's dangerous to carry a gun around all the time, I said there wouldn't be any use to carry it if it wasn't. After reading all these forums for a while, I probably want something a little biger, something a little smaller, a couple of rifles or carbines, a 22 to teach the kids with, a small 357 for the wife, yes It's true, I have the bug....
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The high point C9 is on my buy list.
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I own a HP .40 and have put several thousands rounds thru it with minimal problems. Yes it is heavy but for my first .40 I wasn't willing to sink a large sum of money into a caliber or gun that I may not enjoy shooting. I would buy other HP's in the future. I also have Walther and S&W but if I have to depend on a gun for my home defense it will be my Bond 45/4-10 loaded with 000 buckshot.
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the only problem I ever had with my 995 is a low powder charge which did not work the action my fault my dad has the 45 no problems they have the greatest warranty great little shooters if you dont have one get one. no its not the most expensive or the most attractive but man what a fun firearm
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I took my wife to the range and had her shoot a bunch of rental semis to see which she was most comfortable with. She liked the Walther .22, but no way I was going to advocate her getting a gun that, when shot, might not even dent a windshield. So I bought her the C9. She complained it was too heavy for her, so I 'inherited' it, and I like it just fine. It's not my 'go to' gun, but then, I'm a revolver kinda guy. Put 200 rounds through it, no problems so far. It was fun as hell at the range!
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I own a C9 and a JCP 40S&W love them both. Over 600rds through each. I have only had 5 FTE. Zero FTF. I can hit the target everytime with both of them. Yes they are heavy, hard to take down, but well worth the money.
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All I know about this brand is a guy had one of these pistols in 9MM in my CWP class.It was the unending cause of delay and nervousness on the firing line due to repeated FTE,FTF almost to the point of him being asked to reschedule his testing with another weapon. I would suggest pony up a couple hundred bucks and buy something else.
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Sounds like the guy should have gone to the range to work the bugs out of it before actually trying to qualify. It seems every HiPoint has bugs, but once they are worked out, they do ok.
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the hi point is a heavy gun for its size ..so ccw may be an issue..my buddy has one..i shot maybe 1-2 mags and he finished the rest out of a box of 50rnd..thats all thats been shot through it.. now with that said no prbs came up at the range. it shot as well as any other gun..you pull the trigger , blam and a hole appears in the target..for me i feel my 250lb butt is worth more than $150 ..but thats me..one thing that turned me off is when he bought it the dealer said that the hi points dont like cheap ammo..that would be a reason right there for me not to buy it..you save on the gun but you have to shoot exp ammo..nope sorry..my xd eats $8 wolf and $9 pmc all day long..the hi point just had a write up in a recent issue of "combat handguns" and long story short it got a very very good review, but then again have you ever seen a write up in any magazine that said the firearm (whatever it may be) sucked? no dont think so..so anyway its your money if thats what you want go for it..and on a side note any/all guns no matter price, name on the slide etc can/will jam ..thats my two cents
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The only Hi-Point I ever owned was the .45. It was a pure jam-o-matic POS. Got rid of it real quick and got a 1911A1.
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