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Wow that is awesome!
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June 25, 2011, 02:53 AM | #627 |
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Here is picture of the 8ga falling block we are working
on, partly done. It is built like the 4bore one in a one piece stock. IT is built .150" narrower than 4bore. We used the heavy 8ga barrel that I first put in the Enfield bolt gun for a 8ga testing. The breech block, linkage, lever, pivot is done, as you can see in picture with lever open and breech down. I have got to chamber, put in firing pin, do hammer and trigger. 8ga gun in 1st picture. Hammer and trigger setup is now mounted and moves on the back of the breech block on an extension. I also made this change first on 4bore, 2nd pic. It uses NEF hammer and spring and Stevens trigger. Breech block set up same as 4bore just narrower. Later hope to do a 2 bore and same setup only breech and action a little wider.Ed
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June 28, 2011, 01:57 AM | #628 |
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Here picture of the 8ga from back. This action will also
do 12ga FH, 10ga, 700HE, 600NE,50BMG,etc. The breech block in this and the 4bore are 1 inch thick front to back, with the width different. The bottom of block is same on all and uses same linkage and lever; same hammer and trigger. The 4bore one will do 20mm, as that is what I make the 4bore brass from. When I do 2bore, breech block will use same parts, but just be wider on the top of the block. The recoil pads are over 2" thick. I made the stock from a 2.5" thick blank......mostly by hand. This action will hold much more pressure that the heavy built plastic 8ga cases can take , and they are good to over 20,000 psi. Like a 1000gr at 2500.Ed
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where are the youtube videos?
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now that's what I call a big bore.
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July 7, 2011, 11:11 PM | #632 |
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Guys wanted more particulars of Hubel FB..
Here is picture, empty falling block receiver from the top...2nd a side view of the breech block with back extensions, with hammer and trigger. Hammer has safety cocking notch. The lever, not shown, connects to linkage up inside the two bottom extensions.Ed
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July 9, 2011, 11:18 PM | #633 |
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A fellow in Texas picked up a Tula-Toz 4bore
pump gun like Big Al has. He is getting some of the 3 inch brass 4ga cases from RMC. RMC still has them if anyone needs them. That gun takes a short 4ga case, either brass or plastic if you can find them. Pic is Al's gun.Bolt has 4 locking lugs...ED
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July 15, 2011, 01:56 AM | #634 |
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Here are pictures of the Falling Block breech block.
Front and side rear view....Notice the integral bottom extensions are narrower than the top. These are what the linkage is inside of and when breech is levered down these fit though the slot in the stock. And being narrower the slot isn't too wide so the stock has enough strength. Botton extensions same width for all action sizes.Just top different for the size of action needed for big cartridges. This breech is little rough as it has had a dozen changes to it. But it holds a load in 4 bore of 1500gr over 2600.Ed
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July 17, 2011, 11:27 PM | #635 |
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Some more slug ideas--First picture of 10ga 830gr
hollow base slug in 8ga wad cup, And 690gr hollowbase 69 caliber Dixie Gunworks slug that I swaged down a little, in a 12ga wad cup. 2nd picture is the a new offering from the EU,a new 300gr US-S slug with locked on base, discarding petals, by European Cartridge. Accurate in smooth bores. In 3" plastic they load to over 2100 with shotgun powders. In a 3.5" plastic and our slower powders I could get over 2800. Ed
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July 23, 2011, 11:13 PM | #636 |
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That US-S pointed slug with discarding petals,
and locked on base, shown above is called the Swift 12. And correction on the weight, it is 320 gr. And they plan on testing and maybe supplying 3.5" versions, planning on getting around 2500 fps with shotgun powders. I know in our 3.85" case in the long barrel Savage, I could get over 3000 with big amounts of our slower powders we load with. Bought some tubing caps And here is picture of those copper tubing caps, you can make bullet jackets out of, and fill with lead. In picture you see a rough one I formed with punch, and with a die they be perfectly formed. And with right die they could be formed with round nose with edge step for perfect roll crimping in plastic. And on the right see big caps that would do 4 bore.There are caps between the two sizes that would do 8ga...Ed
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July 28, 2011, 11:46 PM | #637 |
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More 12gs slug/sabot info-- About discarding sabots.
Most factories making sabot slugs make them relatively light, 300 to 350 grains, and that is why they are on average more accurate than what guys try to reload with heavier slugs in the sabots. Reason is light slugs don't damage the sabot, while they are trying for high velocity. Example is picture of Hornady SST sabot and it only has a one way plastic seal over powder, and a hard rubber cushion inside the sabot under the 300gr jkt spitzer style slug. Many 12ga hunters say these are the most accurate. Another slug idea is a blunt nose jacketed slug of 675gr I made from one of RG's hollow point jkt slugs. I cut part of jacket off of the front and swaged it over to make blunt nose. These are for the guys trying to make short loaded brass case rounds in 2.5" brass and 2.62" brass to be no more than 2.75" overall to work in certain guns. it is on left, 2nd pic. And gets good velocity with just good BPGS seals under it and slower powder. On right is US-S sabot with discarding petals, locked on base we tried in short brass case, and can't, due to length of sabot get in enough powder to get the higher velocity with heavy 700gr US-S slug, the guys want to get.....ED
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July 29, 2011, 12:20 AM | #638 |
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Soo, where do you get the cannon balls?!
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July 29, 2011, 03:44 AM | #639 |
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They are little cannon balls, so it ain't real
hard to make them. The ones I'm most proud of, that I've had guys make for me, are the 4bore hard ones.ED
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August 3, 2011, 12:47 AM | #640 |
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Here is picture some folks wanted of our
big cases with smaller 30-06 for comparison. In picture, 1st my 2ga, 4ga, 8ga, 10ga, 12ga, my 700HE long case, my 700H 3.25", and 06. 2nd picture is short 2 5/8" brass cases we are checking loads in, to see how much speed can be gotten.You can easily see the length of short full bore lead slug, compared to the saboted ones, allowing more powder in the short slug load for more speed.. Now this doesn't mean saboted are no good, or that I don't like these saboted types. Great for smooth bores, the US-S with locked on base, are the best there is, I think, for big game.Just got to use longer cases. I always felt, that going longer cases is worth the effort where practical ED
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so can you deer hunt with these or what lol
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Where I hunt, it would be considered a shotgun. The only legal versions would be 20 ga, 16 ga, 12 ga, and 10 ga. ...But they would be legal for big game and predators (Antelope, Deer, Elk, Moose, big cats, Bears, etc.).
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Yes by fed law they are shotgun shells with a longer chamber.
As long as the chamber fires shorter cases.IE 12ga 3" fired in 12ga 3.5" chamber, or older shorter 10ga case in 3.5"... Hunting laws may vary , like 10ga is limit for migratory waterfowl. For big game here like deer, about any big bore as long as it is shoulder fired. Limits being mag capacity.Ed
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That 2ga makes the 30-06 look like .22.
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August 6, 2011, 01:40 AM | #645 |
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The 2ga case is 5 inches long and has room for
1100 gr of powder under average length slug. Case is steel. And I make it from 27mm typhoon aircraft cannon cases.Ed
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August 12, 2011, 10:36 PM | #646 |
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Here is picture of my big 585 cases.
30-06 for size comparison. 3rd is 585HE - I have it in bolt, falling block, break, etc, actions. 1st is 585 Hubel Super Magnum - Designed for strong bolt guns. Have in a MRC PH. Can get 20,000 ft lbs. 2nd 585 Rimmed Hubel Magnum and I have it now as a single shot in an 1887 Win. The 87 has a 30" heavy barrel. Case is designed to use in break actions and run about 25,000 psi, but due to the size of the case has enough powder so can get 15,000 ft lbs. It is 4" long, and could be called 24ga FH.Ed
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August 21, 2011, 01:00 AM | #647 |
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ome 10ga experimenting with slug loads.
In NEF with 32" factory, long bull barrel. It is smooth so we use hollowbase slugs Cases FED 3.5" plastic cases, roll crimped. 900gr full bore slugs -180 gr RE17- 1800 plus. Use plastic powder seal and fiber wads. Slug hollowbase and hard cast. 740gr 69cal hollowbase soft lead slug, in VP100 10 ga wadcup. Deep hollowbase Cup has it own seal and cushion. 180 gr RE17 -- 2000+ fps. Here are pictures of a couple other different guns in my long 585HE cartridge.. 1st is Olympic Arms BBK bolt gun, in a target style stock with palm swell pistol grip...2nd is the one I made on a CBC single shot by mono-blocking in a heavy 585 cal barrel. Barrels- 1.32" at breech- 1.070 muzzle.Ed
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Some 28ga FH info and ideas.
Brenneke now has 28ga slugs, with good speed, decent smooth bore accuracy. About 260 grain slugs. SAme style as their 12ga ones with locked on base.Work in 28ga NEFs of course and 28ga O/Us.Some real good 28ga O/Us out there. 28ga is a .550 Inch bore. But now Rossi has out, a revolving 28ga shotgun with about a 19 inch barrel. Should work ok with those slugs. You could also get RMC 28ga brass cases about 2 3/4" long, maybe 3", depending on chamber, a shorter version of our 28GA FH 3.25" case. Maybe I get one in the future, and put on a longer heavier 585 cal barrel and set it up for my 585 Short HE. Neat gun.Called Circuit Judge....Ed
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I found a picture of 28ga Rossi Circuit Judge. Barrel is
smooth bore , could be little heavier barrel, but it will do ok with the new plastic case Brenneke slugs, 260 gr at 1450 fps..Could do 2000 in a little longer brass case from RMC. 28ga is a 550" bore in a rifled bore. 24ga is about .585 same bore as my 585, and most all 577/585 stuff. The 28ga chamber with minimum work would fire my shorter 585 with a switch barrel 585 bore. And still work with 28ga with 28ga barrel put on. Difference is the case thickness with the 28ga case being nearly the same OD as my 585 drawn, stronger brass cases. The Brenneke slug has along locked on base and seal, connected by long post, that you can see inside the case in picture and pictured on the box Quite a long tail so to speak for good smooth bore work.This is a great step forward for 28ga slugs, as most reloading slug stuff was only 100 grain balls or other super light slug designs...ED
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Some have a need for supply of full bore 12ga hard alloy
slugs about 620-650gr. So a couple guys are opening up their Lee Key Slug molds to full bore .729" It will still have the partly hollow base and key. I will do the short brass cases with the first ones I get, to get loads developed. The slugs are about same length as the 730 gr Dixies.They have blunt round nose and can be roll crimped in plastic cases ok. Load of 90gr of IMR4759 in the short brass or 3" plastic cases will get 1800 plus in 24" barrels. I'll Have pictures later to post. Also here is picture of my 585HE in a Khan shotgun action. Operates as a straight bolt, straight pull action for now. Barrel is heavy, 30" long, the butt is weighted. thick pads, it fits nice, looks great. Ed
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