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March 1, 2011, 11:34 AM | #51 |
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So the majority of the thread has turned into a discussion on social profiling :barf:
My last three visits to a public range (about three years ago) made me realize that just like a driver's license, anybody can get one, whether they're proficient at it or completely incompetent, and allowed to operate a pontentially deadly weapon regardless. Unfortunately at a shooting range one does not have the option to switch lanes, speed up or slow down and get away from the deficient operator. My advice is join a private club. The caliber of people one encounters there are more refined in what we do and have a greater appreciation, respect, and understanding of our sport Last edited by Incognito; March 1, 2011 at 11:49 AM. Reason: Spelling |
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All of the above is why I shoot at a private range. I don't care what the guy shooting next to me looks like, but I do care about how he behaves, particularly when it comes to shooting responsibly.
I shoot at the private range because I've shot at plenty of unsupervised public ranges. I don't want to have to leave the range because I feel that my safety is about to be compromised. It doesn't matter if the unsafe shooter is wearing a suit or has his pants below his butt. I'm not the range officer, I'm not the safety officer and I'm not an instructor. So, I shoot at the private range. And if somebody behaves in an unsafe manner, I can talk to one of the club officers and the problem will be fixed...or go away. It sounds heartless and maybe even snobby, but there are certain situations where the risk/reward calculation just doesn't compute. Oh, and we do a pretty good job of cleaning and maintaining the private range...that's a big plus in my book!
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March 4, 2011, 03:48 AM | #55 |
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Has nothing to do with intestinal fortitude, it has to do with what's the best way to approach a situation in a gray area.
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March 5, 2011, 03:55 PM | #56 |
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most clubs have rules about rounds on target--if most are not than you are out. not cut and dried but the tone is convayed by the RO thusly. besides, rounds off target are potential rick-o-shays. bad juju.
worked for me a couple of times in the past is--when he takes time to reload i say to hime like--"i've been looking for a gun like that, may i try a couple of rounds?" sure says he and i place 3 in the black fast and thank him. you cant count to 3 before he's all over me asking how i did that. you can make friends in the oddest of places under the strangest of conditions. though if either had been wearing colors, ida been packed & gone home. remember that rule about avoiding trouble often gets harder the longer you avoid doing it.
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March 7, 2011, 08:27 PM | #58 |
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Labels are assigned to things based on their properties. Like bullets being labeled ammunition and apples being labeled fruit. People label themselves and the whole label thing is old and tired. Let's assume the t*rd was a fine young gentileman from a good family destine for collage. That means everything he said and did and how he dressed was contrived to make you think he was a pimp mac daddy gang banger. Your labeling was all he ever wanted, mission accomplished. I prefer to label myself as a good man who would help anyone who needed and deserved it and who buys clothes that fit me. That's the label I'm looking for. The bottom line is IF YOU ACT LIKE A (blank), PEOPLE WILL TREAT YOU LIKE A (blank), you fill in the blank, not me.
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By the way, you can try this. Just say "Dude, everybody looks funny at you when you shoot like that, I don't think they like it "
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What he stated was that he thought the guy was a degenerate gang-banger who didn't shoot well and didn't like the stance and suggested he didn't have common sense, though never stated anything to support a lack of common sense. He didn't like the way the guy was shooting, plain and simple. I really liked this comment... Quote:
New shooter discussions pertaining to leaning back, sometimes WAY back... http://texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.p...24215&start=15 http://www.texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=33723 http://www.coronadotraining.com/free/lepub2.html http://olegvolk.livejournal.com/932910.html http://www.uscops.com/videos-my-girl...vsOCySI%5D.cfm Contrary to the obviously biased comment, taking your finger out of the trigger guard isn't common sense and would not be of presense of mind for a person who fell if they had not had proper training. Actually, the opposite is more true. People tend to grip what they are holding in an attempt to control it as they fall and that grip reflex including squeezing the trigger, unfortunately.
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So a middle aged white man who admits that all he worries about is the "ghetto" encroaching on his white gated community goes to the range and freaks out when he sees a "gang banger" shooting a pistol. Man, you can't make this stuff up. This thread is just full of ignorance.
Whether you like it or not, many non-whites own guns, and most of them are not criminal thugs. But hey, what do I know? Am just a Cuban-American. I guess if you saw me at the range with my SKS or my Mosin Nagant and an unlit cigar in my mouth, you'd probably come in here and complain about the communist revolutionaries taking over your range. Never mind getting to know me, which if you did, you'd find out that I am conservative, pro-NRA, clean cut, and well educated. This thread is just full of uncomfortable and creepy racial/cultural profiling undertones. If you don't like to see non-anglo Americans (or poorly dressed white youngsters) shooting guns at your range because it makes you uncomfortable, then go join a plush private-owned range that screens members for the size of their bank account and racial/cultural makeup. Last edited by osallent; March 8, 2011 at 01:41 AM. |
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This thread is missing productive content ... :barf: People are people. Sorry HK, but you're spending a lot of time defending your original post.
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March 9, 2011, 12:12 AM | #63 |
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According to the FBI uniform crime reports certain demographic blocks are more prone to criminal activity, ossalent. What you decry as profiling is merely observing common sense.
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March 9, 2011, 08:08 AM | #64 |
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ok, fine. If a non-anglo American with a gun at the range makes you that uncomfortable because of the FBI statistics, then go open your own white people only range, or buy a private piece of land of your own to shoot.
However, when you use a regular range that operates as a for-profit business, expect to come into contact with a diverse racial and socioeconomic crowds. There will be people there different than you (economically/culturally/racially), and under the 2nd Amendment, if they are not criminals, they have a right to own guns and be patrons at the range.
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It seems the tightie-whities are getting all bunched up and uncomfy to some
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I read the post a few times and other than the young man not knowing much about a handgun I can't figure out what he did wrong. I'm also curious as to how you knew he was a gang banger. Did you ask him? Did he volunteer this information to you? Are you a expert in this field and automatically recognized obvious signs such as tattoos, etc.? As far as the range itself is concerned was it against the rules to shoot rapid fire? I know thats the case in the range that I shoot. Verses complaining to us why didn't you show him how to do it the right way?
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The part that gets me most about this thread is where the OP actually wonders how he would be able to kill this dangerous gangbanger if needs be. Kind of shocking really.
Macall is right, it's not profiling when you have statistical evidence to back up your bigotry! Statistically white males from 21-34 are the most likely to drink and drive so let's keep extra close tabs on them and have cops detain them on the way home from work every night. /White male, 27
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Pretty disturbing thread experience.
Now ended.
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