March 17, 2014, 02:57 PM | #1 |
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State commits NICS fraud
IL has submitted fraudulent information about my background to the FBI NICS system. This is causing problems for me, so I am trying to have the error corrected.
I called 877-FBI-NICS and they've been completely incapable of helping, much less understanding the nature of the problem, so far. Nobody has been able to disclose who it was in IL who submitted this erroneous information, and so I've been unable to contact them to have it easily fixed. What is the best way to clear something like this up? Surely this is not the first time it's ever happened, I am hoping some of you might have some experience with this. And this may just be my opinion, but how is it legal for a state agency to submit criminal background information without providing paperwork which supports their claim? What happened to innocent until proven guilty? |
March 17, 2014, 04:30 PM | #2 |
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I assume you’ve already read the information related to formal appeals, but if not I’ve provided a link below.
If you can’t get this taken care of through the formal process you may need an attorney. Also, be aware that the government moves very slow, so don’t expect anything to happen overnight. http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nic...s/appeals-home
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We don't want to get into any personal information that could compromise you here, but can you tell us what it was Illinois submitted and how you suspect they did so?
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Did you really mean "fraudulent" ? (which implies a deliberate action to deceive)
...or did you mean "incorrect" information was entered into the system when the LGS (or state of Illinois) typed it in? If the latter (as Tom Servo has suggested) what was its nature? |
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And again I have to wonder why NICS allows information like this to be submitted without some kind of paperwork proving the information to be accurate. No such paperwork exists in this case, unless it was forged. Quote:
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That could be from an incorrectly-checked box on a computer screen, or from identity mix-up [including identity theft]. If your SSN was used by the state in making this entry, I'd hotfoot it to a credit bureau/state investigating agency ASAP to along dig into that possibility. Second. Stay detached and professional. Accusing the state of deliberate fraud without more information will do nothing except get you hung up on. Third. If you find that your identity has been stolen, consider getting a lawyer ASAP. |
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I appreciate your advice, they have to be treated with kid gloves because apparently their ego is made of shiny glass and I wouldn't want to break it. But it was fraud. Again, why does NICS accept a report of this kind without paperwork to back it up? I'm not expecting anyone here to have an answer for that, but everyone should be aware. Such a system is not a legitimate piece of American government. |
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If If were your lawyer, I'd advise that you are headed for a fall.
I'd then recommend you back off, take two aspirin, and let me dig into the background. You want to find out what happened You want things cleared up You want your FOID card (or whatever) ...and most important, ensure that your identity is -- in fact -- still yours. . |
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You do not define what "problems" this alleged misinformation is causing you...
You even insist you have not tried to buy a gun, so clearly have not been denied by NICS, so I am at a loss to understand what the issue really is... |
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Did you check with Todd, or Molly at Illinois Carry? Looks like local would be your best resource.
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OP.....take a deep breath and retell the ENTIRE story.......
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You come on this forum and a member asks you a valid question and he gets the above response.......that's rude dude. It's clear from your posts that you: 1. Didn't attempt to buy a gun. 2. Didn't undergo an FBI NICS check when attempting to buy a gun. 3. Didn't get an NTN (NICS Transaction Number) 4. Didn't get denied. 5. Didn't appeal a denial. 6. May not understand what FBI NICS actually does. No attempted purchase, no NTN, no denial by FBI NICS= no possibility of filing an appeal of something that hasn't happened.
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And this is becoming a giant waste of time. If the OP has a real problem, he needs a real lawyer.
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