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February 19, 2014, 05:11 PM | #76 | |
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Since you're ideologically opposed to having to buy a permit to exercise a constitutional right, just give up the permit you have now, and refuse to carry. Otherwise, you're just as much a sellout as I am. |
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February 19, 2014, 06:39 PM | #77 |
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No I'm not. I hate paying to practice any right. You openly say you "like" a tiered payment system because you could get what you need for now. If you could pay for what you needed, you'd probably not continue with what should be. I'm motivated to make the right change, not to settle for a compromise. It's not about ME and what I need. It's about what is right, and what we ALL should have. I think that's where we differ.
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The only point we differ on is that I am willing to accept a fee to practice a right now, and lobby to eliminate the fee in the future. You would rather accept a complete loss of that right until you can get it for free. And you really don't differ from me that far, because you are currently paying to exercise a right in Virginia. |
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February 19, 2014, 09:41 PM | #79 |
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I can open carry in Virginia, and occasionally I do. I have my right without the need for any license at all. I do choose to have and pay for a conceal carry license as well, but I don't have to have it to carry in Virginia. Our tier one is constitutional carry. Our second tier is to pay to conceal. I don't like it, and like you, I work to get full constitutional carry. I don't want more (any) tiers.
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February 21, 2014, 03:35 AM | #80 |
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So tell me, Noel, as I am confused about this--what about the 1000' exclusionary zone of the gun Free School Zone Act? Here in California--aside from the fact that open carry is now banned--the act is enforced, and it is virtually impossible to open carry in public. What does Virginia do?
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February 21, 2014, 09:43 AM | #81 | |
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I have not heard of that act actually being "enforced" here. Others may know different.
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February 21, 2014, 10:51 AM | #83 | |
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February 21, 2014, 03:14 PM | #84 |
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VA now honors KS !!! State to state reciprocity gettin' better all the time...
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February 22, 2014, 06:47 AM | #85 |
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Congratulations, I'm happy for you. And reciprocity will keep going great for you until you get about 35 states, when it comes to a dead halt. Then you're in the same boat as FL, TX, UT, etc.
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February 22, 2014, 08:53 AM | #86 |
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I'm not so defeatist. There will be so much pressure on those remaining states from their citizens that it will be a matter of time. If the citizens actually don't want reciprocity, then my boat don't sail there anyway. Their loss
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February 25, 2014, 01:31 PM | #87 | |
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Liberty and freedom often offends those who understand neither. I'm also against it. I absolutely do not want the fed involved in any more gun legislation, period. Stop and look at what we have now. The fed gov't can't manage their budget, natural disasters, immigration, veterans benefits, health care, education and a truck load of other things to numerous to mention. Just leave the states alone and if people who live in those sates want CC they will get it. Believe it or not most manage it very well. And if they don't I have no reason to travel or live in those states. |
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February 25, 2014, 11:09 PM | #88 |
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Somebody tell me one thing, just one, that the federal government got involved in that wasn't totally over regulated and totally screwed up.
The thing to remember here is guys, if you don't like the laws of the state that you're in, either effect change to the laws through the democratic process or move to a state that has laws that you agree with. |
February 26, 2014, 10:18 AM | #89 | |
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Yeah, I am all for states honoring concealed permits like DLs, however I think fed involvement would just be plain wrong... To me their involvement is quite well delineated in the 2A. What worries me more than anything about a federal regulation is the simple fact of the millions of constituents that congress represents as well as the billions of dollars in corporate backers etc. There are just far too many variables to have any kind of good outcome for either side, especially ours. |
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February 26, 2014, 10:30 AM | #90 |
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I agree with the last few posts. The same folks behind the FEMA response to Katrina(2005) & the more recent Healthcare.gov debacle are not going to roll out a "great" plan for CCW/concealed carry nationwide.
What was that popular quote from the Gipper?... "The words most citizens fear most are; I'm from the federal government & Im here to help." |
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Everyone's had a chance to make their argument, and there are some good ones. This one's beginning to drift, though, so let's close it before it goes too far off the reservation.
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