Mini-G

DATL · December 16, 2012, 10:08 PM

So i'm REALLY interested in the M1 Garand, and have been price shopping both them and their accessories. I stumbled upon this Mini-G by Shuff's Parkerizing and it seems pretty awesome. I am a big scout rifle fan, and love shorter rifles. I wanted to know what you all think about them, and/or if anyone has any experience with them? www.shuffsparkerizing.com

FWIW I do already have an AR

. My next move is on something kind of like a M1 Garand, or M1A, or Mini 30. I have heard people say they are much faster on stripper clips than mag's, and must say I am intrigued by the 30-06 semi-auto....and curious about the stripper clips... Thoughts?

mitranoc · December 16, 2012, 10:44 PM

Wow, that looks awesome!!

Lprmcnit · December 16, 2012, 11:46 PM

I got my rifle modified by Shufflin nearly two years ago. He did a great job, its my favorite rifle to shoot. The only hassle and it has nothing at all to do with his business is that it was difficult to ship the rifle via UPS; local UPS was clueless.

Ridge_Runner_5 · December 16, 2012, 11:53 PM

I must be missing something, but that seems like taking a Garand receiver (of which there are fewer of all the time) and basically turning it into an M1A Scout?

DubC-Hicks · December 17, 2012, 12:21 AM

Ridge Runner, yes, they are ruining pieces of American history. Making a rare and valuable rifle into an abomination.

Nine the Ranger · December 17, 2012, 12:28 AM

Why not just buy an M1A Scout instead of ruining a Garand?

DATL · December 17, 2012, 12:38 AM

@ mitranoc, I agree!

@ lprmcnit, nice- if you have any pics you'd like to share feel free to! I can see how one of these could easily become my most favorite rifle to shoot as well- when I procure one lol. I love the historical value of the M1 Garand. It adds to the cool factor greatly...as do the clips and 30-06 caliber.

@ Ridge Runner, yeah maybe it is sort of like turning a Garand into an M1A Scout except different in that you get the clips and 30-06 caliber. With the numbers I was playing with the conversion seems cheaper than a M1A. I love all my .308's but there is some serious allure to a 30-06 semi (my only 30-06 is a bolt action...gets boring). I want one of these AND a .308 Socom lol. One day...

DATL · December 17, 2012, 01:08 AM

@ Dub C Hicks, seriously? That sounds a little exaggerated to me. Shortening a rifle and adding a nice stock and finish does not seem to me like ruining history. Just because it is an M1 Garand makes no difference in my opinion. Then again this rifle's service date is before my time. However, I showed the this rifle to several vets at my gun range, who shoot Garands among other rifles- and they LOVED it. They thought the original M1 Garand was just as good as the M1A. FWIW they were not paper pushers or suburban commandos. Just good ole guys. I respect your opinion though. I guess I am just not a purist- I like the disc brake conversion kit in my 68 mustang

Maybe my wife will get me an A/C for Christmas lol.

@ Nine the Ranger, Where do we draw the line is it okay to just change out the stock in general, or is that ruining it also? Is it okay to get an 870 barrel cut? Can I add new grips to my Walther PPK? I'd like trijicon sights on a 1911 is it ruined? I'm just saying...

5.56RifleGuy · December 17, 2012, 01:13 AM

That is basicly a BM 59. Im not sure what the price of that is, if its more than 2500, I would just get a Bm59 or 62.

DATL · December 17, 2012, 01:18 AM

You have to have a M1 Garand and they"ll do the conversion to it for $525.00

5.56RifleGuy · December 17, 2012, 01:29 AM

Oh ok, thats not too bad. The nice Berretta BM 59, BM62, and Bm 69 rifles must be where the idea came from. If you decidevyou want a factory original rifle of this type they would be what you were looking for. I see them at auction every once in a while. Ive seen a bunch lately. They will most likely cost more than that conversion. I like to keep things original, but as you know its your rifle, and you should do what you want with it.

DubC-Hicks · December 17, 2012, 05:38 PM

DATL, even though there are still lots of M1's around, they aren't becoming any more common. And people that bubba surplus rifles are just making them rarer. And modifications are fine, IMO, but they need to be easily reversible and bring the rifle back to 100% original condition. Especially with rifles this valuable and historic.

And my 68 fastback had the disc brake conversion, too.

**4V50 Gary** · December 17, 2012, 07:59 PM

I'd like to compare their OP-Rod to the BM-59's. If they're the same, then the conversion should be good. If not, it can be problematic.

DATL · December 17, 2012, 10:42 PM

DubC-Hicks, I really do see your point of view. I was looking at the standard M1 Garand, and upon finding some with a nice new black finish on the metals, and a really nice looking wood stock (like the one's of the Mini-G, just factory length), I think I like them just as much or more as the shorter "tanker" versions.

Ah, that's awesome you are into the 60's stangs! A man after my own heart LOL. Yeah funny thing about the drums/discs. Last year I was hot rodding mine around a little bit, hadn't drove it in a while- hit the breaks and didn't get much of a response! Made it back home down shifting and had to promptly kick the drums to the curb! Whew!

DATL · December 17, 2012, 10:53 PM

DLiller, wow I'm not familiar with the Berretta BM59. It looks A LOT like the "Mini-G" conversion. I love the bipod. Good call on a comparable to the Mini-G. I wonder how much they are costing in the non-internet world. I'd imagine a good bit the trident isn't usually cheap lol.

BM 59

5.56RifleGuy · December 18, 2012, 12:11 AM

Ive seen them go for around 2100 lately. It looks like they are 308 though

johnwilliamson062 · December 18, 2012, 01:44 AM

Looks to me like the BM59ish(magazine) conversion is $800+$300 for the shortening of the barrel. Original Garand is about $600 from CMP. Still $500 cheaper than a real BM59 by price above. The cheapest I saw a BM59 in good shape was $3000 though.

I think sometimes we get caught up on "ruining" C&R guns. It is one thing if you have a 98% all parts matching gun, but one that has been re-arsenaled several times and has all different parts, some of which have pitting... Go for it.

bernie · December 18, 2012, 09:02 AM

We all have opinions, but are we really right? Who knows.

I really enjoy M1 Rifles! However, if you own it, do what you want with it. Somehow, doing a custom M1 is bad because they are "rare and valuable". Truthfully, they are not that rare. If someone was doing an unusual conversion on a Ruger Mini 30, no one would have heart burn, and I suspect there are waaaaay more M1 rifles floating around than Mini 30's.

I am going to get one of my M1's done this way when I am steadily employed again. If you do not get the magazine conversion, a new barrel and op rod and the rifle is "restored". I do not want the mag, because I like en blocs for a number of reasons, but that is my belief not everyone elses. If you want the mag conversion, go for it.

bamaranger · December 19, 2012, 07:51 PM

Always wanted a Tanker, and the Mini-G seems like more of a good thing. I do not want a box mag, the enbloc will be fine, thanks. And I think I'd like it in .308 to reduce flash.

I would not mod a decent Garand to make a MIniG, but there are lots of beater Garands out there that came in as imports that have issues and I would not hesitate to mod one of those.

Last I looked, Shuff will do a plain MIniG for about half of what you'll give for a Socom or Scout M1A

stubbicatt · December 21, 2012, 12:58 PM

How hard is it to screw a standard GI barrel on one of these, and restore it to "original" configuration? I do not see any modifications to the receivers which would be irreversible.

So this "abomination" is nothing other than a Garand in drag. It can put on it's "boy clothes" at any time.

bamaranger · December 21, 2012, 09:27 PM

New barrels are not an issue for a Garand plumber. It is not a hobby job like a Savage rifle, but it is a task often done. And there are lots of optons available, period barrel, new barrel GI spec, match barrel.

One would need a new op rod too, as the MiniG rod gets a special bend.
And you'd have to add some wood. I think you make a valid point, it is not a end all mod.

December 16, 2012, 10:08 PM	#1
DATL Senior Member Join Date: January 21, 2012 Posts: 113	Mini-G So i'm REALLY interested in the M1 Garand, and have been price shopping both them and their accessories. I stumbled upon this Mini-G by Shuff's Parkerizing and it seems pretty awesome. I am a big scout rifle fan, and love shorter rifles. I wanted to know what you all think about them, and/or if anyone has any experience with them? www.shuffsparkerizing.com FWIW I do already have an AR . My next move is on something kind of like a M1 Garand, or M1A, or Mini 30. I have heard people say they are much faster on stripper clips than mag's, and must say I am intrigued by the 30-06 semi-auto....and curious about the stripper clips... Thoughts?

December 16, 2012, 11:46 PM	#3
Lprmcnit Member Join Date: June 3, 2012 Posts: 41	Mini G I got my rifle modified by Shufflin nearly two years ago. He did a great job, its my favorite rifle to shoot. The only hassle and it has nothing at all to do with his business is that it was difficult to ship the rifle via UPS; local UPS was clueless.

December 17, 2012, 12:21 AM	#5
DubC-Hicks Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 2009 Location: Backwoods, Northern MI Posts: 1,031	Ridge Runner, yes, they are ruining pieces of American history. Making a rare and valuable rifle into an abomination. __________________ ”Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars.” ~Unknown

December 17, 2012, 12:28 AM	#6
Nine the Ranger Senior Member Join Date: June 22, 2012 Location: Florida Posts: 248	Why not just buy an M1A Scout instead of ruining a Garand? __________________ 'A Vote is like a Rifle; It's usefulness depends upon the character of the User.'-Theodore Roosevelt

December 17, 2012, 01:08 AM	#8
DATL Senior Member Join Date: January 21, 2012 Posts: 113	@ Dub C Hicks, seriously? That sounds a little exaggerated to me. Shortening a rifle and adding a nice stock and finish does not seem to me like ruining history. Just because it is an M1 Garand makes no difference in my opinion. Then again this rifle's service date is before my time. However, I showed the this rifle to several vets at my gun range, who shoot Garands among other rifles- and they LOVED it. They thought the original M1 Garand was just as good as the M1A. FWIW they were not paper pushers or suburban commandos. Just good ole guys. I respect your opinion though. I guess I am just not a purist- I like the disc brake conversion kit in my 68 mustang Maybe my wife will get me an A/C for Christmas lol. @ Nine the Ranger, Where do we draw the line is it okay to just change out the stock in general, or is that ruining it also? Is it okay to get an 870 barrel cut? Can I add new grips to my Walther PPK? I'd like trijicon sights on a 1911 is it ruined? I'm just saying... Last edited by DATL; December 17, 2012 at 01:25 AM.

December 16, 2012, 10:44 PM	#2
mitranoc Senior Member Join Date: November 24, 2011 Location: West Palm Beach, FL Posts: 337	Wow, that looks awesome!!

December 16, 2012, 11:53 PM	#4
Ridge_Runner_5 Senior Member Join Date: February 8, 2008 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 1,925	I must be missing something, but that seems like taking a Garand receiver (of which there are fewer of all the time) and basically turning it into an M1A Scout?

December 17, 2012, 12:38 AM	#7
DATL Senior Member Join Date: January 21, 2012 Posts: 113	@ mitranoc, I agree! @ lprmcnit, nice- if you have any pics you'd like to share feel free to! I can see how one of these could easily become my most favorite rifle to shoot as well- when I procure one lol. I love the historical value of the M1 Garand. It adds to the cool factor greatly...as do the clips and 30-06 caliber. @ Ridge Runner, yeah maybe it is sort of like turning a Garand into an M1A Scout except different in that you get the clips and 30-06 caliber. With the numbers I was playing with the conversion seems cheaper than a M1A. I love all my .308's but there is some serious allure to a 30-06 semi (my only 30-06 is a bolt action...gets boring). I want one of these AND a .308 Socom lol. One day...

December 17, 2012, 01:13 AM	#9
5.56RifleGuy Senior Member Join Date: May 9, 2010 Location: USA Posts: 1,212	That is basicly a BM 59. Im not sure what the price of that is, if its more than 2500, I would just get a Bm59 or 62.

December 17, 2012, 01:18 AM	#10
DATL Senior Member Join Date: January 21, 2012 Posts: 113	You have to have a M1 Garand and they"ll do the conversion to it for $525.00

December 17, 2012, 01:29 AM	#11
5.56RifleGuy Senior Member Join Date: May 9, 2010 Location: USA Posts: 1,212	Oh ok, thats not too bad. The nice Berretta BM 59, BM62, and Bm 69 rifles must be where the idea came from. If you decidevyou want a factory original rifle of this type they would be what you were looking for. I see them at auction every once in a while. Ive seen a bunch lately. They will most likely cost more than that conversion. I like to keep things original, but as you know its your rifle, and you should do what you want with it. Last edited by 5.56RifleGuy; December 17, 2012 at 01:40 AM. Reason: typos

December 17, 2012, 05:38 PM	#12
DubC-Hicks Senior Member Join Date: December 20, 2009 Location: Backwoods, Northern MI Posts: 1,031	DATL, even though there are still lots of M1's around, they aren't becoming any more common. And people that bubba surplus rifles are just making them rarer. And modifications are fine, IMO, but they need to be easily reversible and bring the rifle back to 100% original condition. Especially with rifles this valuable and historic. And my 68 fastback had the disc brake conversion, too. __________________ ”Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars.” ~Unknown

December 17, 2012, 07:59 PM	#13
4V50 Gary Staff Join Date: November 2, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 21,832	So I read they bent the op-rod... I'd like to compare their OP-Rod to the BM-59's. If they're the same, then the conversion should be good. If not, it can be problematic. __________________ Vigilantibus et non dormientibus jura subveniunt. *Molon Labe!*

December 17, 2012, 10:42 PM	#14
DATL Senior Member Join Date: January 21, 2012 Posts: 113	DubC-Hicks, I really do see your point of view. I was looking at the standard M1 Garand, and upon finding some with a nice new black finish on the metals, and a really nice looking wood stock (like the one's of the Mini-G, just factory length), I think I like them just as much or more as the shorter "tanker" versions. Ah, that's awesome you are into the 60's stangs! A man after my own heart LOL. Yeah funny thing about the drums/discs. Last year I was hot rodding mine around a little bit, hadn't drove it in a while- hit the breaks and didn't get much of a response! Made it back home down shifting and had to promptly kick the drums to the curb! Whew!

December 17, 2012, 10:53 PM	#15
DATL Senior Member Join Date: January 21, 2012 Posts: 113	BM 59 DLiller, wow I'm not familiar with the Berretta BM59. It looks A LOT like the "Mini-G" conversion. I love the bipod. Good call on a comparable to the Mini-G. I wonder how much they are costing in the non-internet world. I'd imagine a good bit the trident isn't usually cheap lol. BM 59

December 18, 2012, 12:11 AM	#16
5.56RifleGuy Senior Member Join Date: May 9, 2010 Location: USA Posts: 1,212	Ive seen them go for around 2100 lately. It looks like they are 308 though

December 18, 2012, 01:44 AM	#17
johnwilliamson062 Junior member Join Date: May 16, 2008 Posts: 9,995	Looks to me like the BM59ish(magazine) conversion is $800+$300 for the shortening of the barrel. Original Garand is about $600 from CMP. Still $500 cheaper than a real BM59 by price above. The cheapest I saw a BM59 in good shape was $3000 though. I think sometimes we get caught up on "ruining" C&R guns. It is one thing if you have a 98% all parts matching gun, but one that has been re-arsenaled several times and has all different parts, some of which have pitting... Go for it.

December 18, 2012, 09:02 AM	#18
bernie Senior Member Join Date: September 12, 2000 Posts: 145	We all have opinions, but are we really right? Who knows. I really enjoy M1 Rifles! However, if you own it, do what you want with it. Somehow, doing a custom M1 is bad because they are "rare and valuable". Truthfully, they are not that rare. If someone was doing an unusual conversion on a Ruger Mini 30, no one would have heart burn, and I suspect there are waaaaay more M1 rifles floating around than Mini 30's. I am going to get one of my M1's done this way when I am steadily employed again. If you do not get the magazine conversion, a new barrel and op rod and the rifle is "restored". I do not want the mag, because I like en blocs for a number of reasons, but that is my belief not everyone elses. If you want the mag conversion, go for it.

December 19, 2012, 07:51 PM	#19
bamaranger Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2009 Location: North Alabama Posts: 8,303	mini G Always wanted a Tanker, and the Mini-G seems like more of a good thing. I do not want a box mag, the enbloc will be fine, thanks. And I think I'd like it in .308 to reduce flash. I would not mod a decent Garand to make a MIniG, but there are lots of beater Garands out there that came in as imports that have issues and I would not hesitate to mod one of those. Last I looked, Shuff will do a plain MIniG for about half of what you'll give for a Socom or Scout M1A

December 21, 2012, 12:58 PM	#20
stubbicatt Senior Member Join Date: September 15, 2007 Posts: 1,707	How hard is it to screw a standard GI barrel on one of these, and restore it to "original" configuration? I do not see any modifications to the receivers which would be irreversible. So this "abomination" is nothing other than a Garand in drag. It can put on it's "boy clothes" at any time.

December 21, 2012, 09:27 PM	#21
bamaranger Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2009 Location: North Alabama Posts: 8,303	too New barrels are not an issue for a Garand plumber. It is not a hobby job like a Savage rifle, but it is a task often done. And there are lots of optons available, period barrel, new barrel GI spec, match barrel. One would need a new op rod too, as the MiniG rod gets a special bend. And you'd have to add some wood. I think you make a valid point, it is not a end all mod.