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October 1, 2009, 09:21 PM | #1 |
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.410 slug, enough to take down a deer?
Wasn't sure about this. I assume it is enough. I have single shot .410 that I thought of mounting a scope to and offer to visitors that might want to hunt but have not made the purchase of a gun.
Your thoughts. PS, I hunt in Louisiana so the vast majority of shots are going to be within 100 yards.
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October 1, 2009, 09:45 PM | #2 |
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I have seen it done but I don’t think its really adequate. The Brenneke 3" mag 410 is only a 1/4 ounce and has about 500 ftlbs at 25 yds and something like only 350 ftlbs at 50yds.
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October 1, 2009, 09:46 PM | #3 |
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.410 slug will be good for deer with in 100 yds
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October 1, 2009, 10:13 PM | #4 |
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That depends on where you are.....
...... some places, the deer are the size of largish border collies (I've seen 'em! Didn't recognize them as deer at first.) . I would not think it ethical to try to kill a 200 lb animal with a slug generating less energy than many pistol rounds.
A rifle has to generate 400 ft/lbs of energy at 100 yards to be a legal hunting weapon for firearm deer season here in Nebraska. The slug you mentioned would not qualify here. |
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It's probably plenty enough if you do your part but illegal in some places (like NY). Check your laws.
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Does the 410 slug have sufficient terminal ballistics to ethically kill a deer?
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October 2, 2009, 02:22 AM | #7 |
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I would say yes, if the distance wasn't too far and the shot placement was spot on. Here is a very well put together analysis of the .410 Slugs.
http://mcb-homis.com/slug_410/ Little different from Old Grumps page.
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October 2, 2009, 07:53 AM | #8 |
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Depends?
It depends on the armor plating the deer in question are wearing. In the old days, they just ran around naked. With modern technology, they are able to shield themselves from weak bullets. In the old days, even a .25-35 could kill a skinny whitetail. These days, nothing less then some Ultra-Super Magnum will do.Thank God we still have the 50 BMG to fall back on!
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October 2, 2009, 08:09 AM | #9 |
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Sarcasm and irony. Gotta love them!
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October 2, 2009, 08:44 AM | #10 |
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I wouldn't shoot people with a 100gr anything much less game. Vermin? Yes, but not slugs.
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October 2, 2009, 11:00 AM | #11 |
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One thing I found in reading that article, is he gives a ME of 1065 ftlbs. That’s nearly 300 ft lbs over what Brenneke it self states. Brenneke has a mv of 1755 his would need to be 2100. If anything manufactures tend to be a little optimistic with their velocities.
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October 2, 2009, 01:50 PM | #12 |
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Not legal in Georgia.
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October 4, 2009, 11:19 AM | #13 |
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I have knowen folks who have done it. Some it worked for and some it did not. Just myself I think it would be a little light to use.
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October 4, 2009, 11:28 AM | #14 |
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To echo what peetzakilla and simonkenton have replied, Yes but may not be legal from state to state. I know that in most Midwest states, it is definitely not legal because of safety concerns. This has been in effect for so long that no one even asks anymore.
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Yes, .410 slugs will do well at short range. Even when using 12 ga slugs I only use them when my shot range is 50 yards or less such as small forest clearings. If longer range is needed then I pick up my rifles.
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October 4, 2009, 12:19 PM | #16 |
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Ask her what she thinks.
I wouldn't necessarly recomend it, but it will work.
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October 4, 2009, 12:49 PM | #17 |
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I suppose an expert marksman who carefully picked his shots could get by with it.
I don't think I would use it as a loaner gun to somebody who didn't have one and expect much to come of it. Matter of fact if you don't even own a gun your capability with anything would be a little questionable, much less something on the fringe of adequate. |
October 4, 2009, 01:25 PM | #18 |
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Since this is for 'guests', I would say no. You would be putting a borderline cartridge in the hands of a shooter unfamiliar with the weapon. (Setting aside whether they are capable of the shot needed, to begin with.)
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It varies from state to state and would have to be more specific as to what other guages or calibers are excluded. Only in recent years have they allowed centerfire handguns and very specific as to cartridges. Even more recent, center fire rifles in the "Lapland" counties of Iowa. This is the bottom two tiers of Iowa counties or as they say, where Missouri laps over into Iowa. It's really all in the details and really don't have them at this time. The .410 exclusion has been in effect for as long as I can recall. Be Safe !!! |
October 4, 2009, 04:42 PM | #20 |
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In my state 410 is a no but in OP's state it is a yes. Link below shows the states where it is legal.
http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/view...f=118&t=183319
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October 4, 2009, 04:52 PM | #21 |
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Thanks Old Grump !!!
This was a great link and looks to be pretty even on the states who can and those who can't use .410. Have never seen such a comprehensive listing. My compliments. Most of the states that prohibit .410, allow for centerfire rifles. Go figure .... Be Safe !!! |
October 4, 2009, 05:00 PM | #22 |
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It will do the job ,just keep in mind that shot placement will be the key.It has been used for a long time in the south before folks got something larger.Good Luck
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October 4, 2009, 07:40 PM | #23 |
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In Colorado you must use a minimun 24 caliber and have 1000 foot pounds of energy at 100 yards to be legal for big game. I agree this would probably be very magrinal at close range and a 100 yards I would feel it would be very iffy. Also like others have said this is a tool for a proffessional not an untried weekend hunter. However I dont agree with the gentleman that comares the 410 to a 25-35. They dont even come close for comparison, the 25-35 has nearly a 1000 foot pounds at 100 yards.
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October 5, 2009, 12:26 PM | #24 |
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I grew up here in FL, and have seen many a whitetail deer fall to .410 slugs. My great grandaddy only hunted with .410's.
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I have also never heard of a slug being dangerous because of "skipping". Southern NY state was for many years shotgun only, and a large portion is still off limits to rifles. We hunt exclusively with shotguns of 20ga and larger using only single projectile loads.
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