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June 15, 2013, 10:01 PM | #26 |
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WOW guys you are giving me some great information here and i am learning a crap load lol.... Although i am not interested in a second grip something like a scope would be something i would be interested in so i suppose that i need to make sure that i only have 2 specifications or what not
as long as a collapsible stock is pinned it doesnt count as an item anymore does it?? or is it still counted |
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This is from a thread I put together on another site.. but might be of value to you.. there is a lot more but it goes in to other aspects of firearms in NJ..
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June 15, 2013, 11:48 PM | #28 |
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In NJ the flash hider.. threaded barrel... pistol grip are not legal in itself..
it is the combination of those feature IN a semi auto rifle that can also accept a detachable mag... you get "semi auto with detachable mag" and "one additional evil feature" which is normally the pistol grip on guns like the AR15.. |
June 15, 2013, 11:50 PM | #29 | |
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can you please let me know who specifically told you this and what department they are in... because I have spoken to the firearms division on multiple occasions, and I could not imagine them offering up this incorrect information... |
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June 16, 2013, 06:49 PM | #31 |
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so when you say this Example
1) An AR15 (which is a semi automatic rifle that has a detachable magazine ) with a pistol grip. LEGAL 2) An AR15 (which is a semi automatic rifle that has a detachable magazine ) with a pistol grip AND a flash hider. ILLEGAL if i were to do say a collapsible stock, but it was pinned, obviously the pistol grip AND a scope (obviously a detachable mag as well) would that render my rifle non compliant or am i just reading this all wrong |
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a scope has no bearing on anything... because an AR15 style rifle is a semi auto with detachable mag you can have ONE "evil feature" and still have a legal rifle.. but because an AR15 is obviously going to have a pistol grip... your "evil feature" is used up on that... so you may NOT have any of the following.. (1) A folding or telescoping stock; (3) A bayonet mount; (4) A flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; (5) A grenade launcher |
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June 16, 2013, 07:01 PM | #33 |
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good god they make this sound so much more difficult then it is.....okay so i can only have one evil feature and that is the detachable mag and that is why the collapsible stock needs to be pinned, right?? because if its pinned it aint collapsible anymore lol okay now i get it.
so then the only other thing i would need to worry about is a threaded barrel and as long as i dont have that im all good lol. seriously cannot thank you guys enough for the help it has really made this much easier for me in understanding what i can and cannot do.... |
June 16, 2013, 07:11 PM | #34 | |
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OK stop for a second.. these are the "evil features for a rifle" (1) A folding or telescoping stock; (2) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon; (3) A bayonet mount; (4) A flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; (5) A grenade launcher notice detachable magazine is NOT there... detachable mag is NOT an "evil feature" it is instead a qualifier.. meaning this.. IF the gun is semi auto AND IF the gun takes a detachable mag THEN It can ONLY have ONE of the following features and stay legal.. (1) A folding or telescoping stock; (2) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon; (3) A bayonet mount; (4) A flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; (5) A grenade launcher so the mag itself is not a countable feature.. it is something that tells you IF you even need to address "evil features"... keep in mind again since we are talking AR15 your ONLY feature you will be allowed will be a pistol grip.. to get around the threaded barrel you can permanently attach a muzzle brake to the barrel... this can NOT be a flash hider.. the reason you can do this is because if a muzzle device is permanently attached to a barrel per ATF guidelines it is to be considered part of the barrel... permanently attaching the brake makes it so the barrel is no longer threaded.. this IMO needs to be done per ATF guidelines.. |
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for supporting information regarding permanently attached muzzle devices please review the following supporting document 26 U.S.C. 5845(d) you will notice the following explanation...
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June 16, 2013, 07:18 PM | #36 |
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i would never try and do something like that myself. I would go to a shop (RTSP) but how much does it cost to get that done
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June 16, 2013, 07:28 PM | #38 |
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a good friend on another site says RTSP is good to go and is a reputable shop... they should be able to do this for you no problem..
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June 16, 2013, 11:59 PM | #39 |
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http://www.state.nj.us/lps/dcj/agguide/assltf.htm
This is the NJ Atty General's guidelines which are regulations that guide the NJSP in the enforcement of firearms laws. "A semi-automatic firearm should be considered to be "substantially identical," that is, identical in all material respects, to a named assault weapon if it meets the below listed criteria: A. semi-automatic rifle that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of the following: 1.a folding or telescoping stock; 2.a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon; 3.a bayonet mount; 4.a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor; and 5.a grenade launcher; This is what was shown, and given to us by a state trooper from the Firearms Unit during an inspection 2 years ago. Now, do what you want with it, but don't be surprised if you get charged. I am not in agreement with any of this but at the same time, don't want to be a test case.
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June 17, 2013, 01:30 AM | #40 |
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War Elephant,
Again. 2.a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon; A vertical foregrip does not protrude conspicuously beneath the action, nor is a vertical foregrip a pistol grip. You are doing your customers a huge disservice by giving out this misinformation. , Last edited by diamondd817; June 17, 2013 at 07:42 AM. |
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Sorry War_Elephant you are so wrong it's kind of laughable that you "work" in a gun shop.
As to the rest, one thing I've learned living in NJ is that the cops are the single most ignorant bunch of people to ask about guns in this state. VERY few actually know the law. |
June 17, 2013, 09:08 AM | #43 |
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thats why im here to get clarification on the rules lol.... i figure nobody would know better then those who own the guns themselves within the state =) all be it perhaps not the best forum for such a discussion but oh well
appreciate it guys |
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the first thing anyone should do that wants to own guns while living in NJ is read the law... read it as it is literally written... then ask questions about what you dont understand...
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I don't want to hijack the thread but as the OP also said he wanted to get a 9MM handgun, isn't NJ gthe state that disallows civilian possessing hollow point bullets? Must tb they only allow cops proper SD bullets. (insertsevere sarcasm smiley.) Not picking on LEO's BTW. Got too many of them as friends.
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Hollowpoints are legal to posses and use at the range and for SD in NJ. |
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June 17, 2013, 10:57 PM | #50 |
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I really don't appreciate the personal attacks I have gotten here. I relayed what the NEW JERSEY STATE POLICE are telling gunshops and I am getting nasty messages and arguments. I AM NOT THE PERSON saying this, I am relaying what the NJSP has told us. I am done, will not discuss this further. Do what you want. I really don't care at this point.
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