.45 Misfire

gizmo688 · July 12, 2011, 05:20 PM

Maybe next time I should read the label and make sure complete primers are included. How did this crap even get into my box!?

jglsprings · July 12, 2011, 05:23 PM

Happens all the time.

Light loads and mashed case mouths also occur frequently.

los · July 12, 2011, 05:28 PM

Is that Primer pressed in bass-ackwards..?

Clifford L. Hughes · July 12, 2011, 06:04 PM

gizmo688:

If you have never had a primer seat upside down you are lucky. I once owned a Pacific Delux Pro O that constantly seated primers up side down or sideways. I trashed it so no one else would suffer from it.

Semper Fi.

Gunnery sergeant
Clifford L. Hughes
USMC Retired

Edward429451 · July 12, 2011, 06:47 PM

that's part of the load procedure of loading on a dillon 550B. Watch as the primer bar comes forward to see the primer right side up in thew cup. Takes longer to write about it than do it.

Mike38 · July 12, 2011, 08:59 PM

I have never seen that in factory ammo, and have only done it once myself reloading. I caught it and never charged the case or seated the bullet. I hung the case on a nail on the wall next to my reloading bench to remind me never to do it again. So far, after 15+ years of reloading, it hasn’t happened again.

kraigwy · July 12, 2011, 09:08 PM

It or stuff like that happens in factory stuff also.

Years ago when CMP was DCM, and they furnished ammo for leg (EIC) matches we got a lot of M-72 (M1 '06 military match) from DCM to fire the match.

The whole lot wouldn't work..........oh the primer went off but it seems somebody at Lake City filed to put a flash hole in the primer pocket.

We able to shoot the match as I had a lot of M-72 stuff I was using in a sniper school I was running for the Guard.

This comes under the heading of POOP HAPPENS

James K · July 13, 2011, 12:09 PM

There is a poster put out for LE officers saying to check their ammo. It shows a number of factory goofs, including upside down primers, crushed cases, and overseated bullets. Of course, checking ammo would not find other errors, like cases with no flash holes, no powder charge, etc. It is a good idea for anyone to check ammo that may be used for serious purposes.

BTW, that upside down primer, if loaded and fired, would not have caused any real problem, just some smoke on the breech face and maybe a bit of dirt in the firing pin hole. Of course, in a bad situation, it would not have done any good, either.

Jim

BigJimP · July 13, 2011, 01:04 PM

Reversed primer - factory Magtech ammo .....in a .45 acp, 230gr RN bullet.....fired by a buddy at the range .....did some minor damage to his Springfield full sized 1911...breaking the firing pin spring.

Easy to fix - so not a big deal ...

Lots of debris - back in his face when he pulled the trigger...but he was wearing shooting glasses ... / ...left a couple of marks on his face on one side .... bullet did not leave the case ...in his mishap ...

Sleuth · July 13, 2011, 01:55 PM

That is actually fairly common. When I was teaching at our academy (and thus handling thousands of rounds), I saw:
Bullet in backwards,
NO primer
No primer and no flash hole
Some kind of pin inside the case, pushing out the side
cracked cases
sideways primers

But my all time favorite:
12 guage slug round, with case, primer, powder charge, wad and roll crimp, but no slug!

All of this was fresh, factory ammo from the big name makers.

mete · July 13, 2011, 07:57 PM

Found NO extractor groove on a case.
Yes , stuff happens in production , Murphy's Law etc.

jfrey · July 14, 2011, 12:19 AM

I've seen this twice in factory rifle ammo and once in factory pistol ammo. I've done it twice reloading my own pistol ammo so I individually check every round before I ever leave the bench. Things like that could really mess up your day at the range.

Sleuth · July 14, 2011, 09:55 AM

If you make millions of items, and have a 0.001% failure rat6e, that is still a lot of bad stuff getting out.

July 12, 2011, 05:23 PM	#2
jglsprings Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2009 Posts: 1,827	Happens all the time. Light loads and mashed case mouths also occur frequently. __________________ Let's eat Grandma. Let's eat, Grandma. Commas save lives...

July 12, 2011, 09:08 PM	#7
kraigwy Senior Member Join Date: June 16, 2008 Location: Wyoming Posts: 11,061	It or stuff like that happens in factory stuff also. Years ago when CMP was DCM, and they furnished ammo for leg (EIC) matches we got a lot of M-72 (M1 '06 military match) from DCM to fire the match. The whole lot wouldn't work..........oh the primer went off but it seems somebody at Lake City filed to put a flash hole in the primer pocket. We able to shoot the match as I had a lot of M-72 stuff I was using in a sniper school I was running for the Guard. This comes under the heading of POOP HAPPENS __________________ Kraig Stuart CPT USAR Ret USAMU Sniper School Distinguished Rifle Badge 1071

July 13, 2011, 01:55 PM	#10
Sleuth Senior Member Join Date: September 27, 2002 Location: Arizona Posts: 445	That is actually fairly common. When I was teaching at our academy (and thus handling thousands of rounds), I saw: Bullet in backwards, NO primer No primer and no flash hole Some kind of pin inside the case, pushing out the side cracked cases sideways primers But my all time favorite: 12 guage slug round, with case, primer, powder charge, wad and roll crimp, but no slug! All of this was fresh, factory ammo from the big name makers. __________________ Sleuth

July 13, 2011, 07:57 PM	#11
mete Senior Member Join Date: June 14, 2004 Location: NY State Posts: 6,575	Found NO extractor groove on a case. Yes , stuff happens in production , Murphy's Law etc. __________________ And Watson , bring your revolver !

July 14, 2011, 09:55 AM	#13
Sleuth Senior Member Join Date: September 27, 2002 Location: Arizona Posts: 445	If you make millions of items, and have a 0.001% failure rat6e, that is still a lot of bad stuff getting out. __________________ Sleuth

July 12, 2011, 05:28 PM	#3
los Senior Member Join Date: February 12, 2005 Posts: 502	Is that Primer pressed in bass-ackwards..?

July 12, 2011, 06:04 PM	#4
Clifford L. Hughes Senior Member Join Date: February 24, 2011 Location: Southern Californis Posts: 795	gizmo688: If you have never had a primer seat upside down you are lucky. I once owned a Pacific Delux Pro O that constantly seated primers up side down or sideways. I trashed it so no one else would suffer from it. Semper Fi. Gunnery sergeant Clifford L. Hughes USMC Retired

July 12, 2011, 06:47 PM	#5
Edward429451 Junior member Join Date: November 12, 2000 Location: Colorado Springs, Colorado Posts: 9,494	that's part of the load procedure of loading on a dillon 550B. Watch as the primer bar comes forward to see the primer right side up in thew cup. Takes longer to write about it than do it.

July 12, 2011, 08:59 PM	#6
Mike38 Senior Member Join Date: December 28, 2009 Location: North Central Illinois Posts: 2,710	I have never seen that in factory ammo, and have only done it once myself reloading. I caught it and never charged the case or seated the bullet. I hung the case on a nail on the wall next to my reloading bench to remind me never to do it again. So far, after 15+ years of reloading, it hasn’t happened again.

July 13, 2011, 12:09 PM	#8
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	There is a poster put out for LE officers saying to check their ammo. It shows a number of factory goofs, including upside down primers, crushed cases, and overseated bullets. Of course, checking ammo would not find other errors, like cases with no flash holes, no powder charge, etc. It is a good idea for anyone to check ammo that may be used for serious purposes. BTW, that upside down primer, if loaded and fired, would not have caused any real problem, just some smoke on the breech face and maybe a bit of dirt in the firing pin hole. Of course, in a bad situation, it would not have done any good, either. Jim

July 13, 2011, 01:04 PM	#9
BigJimP Senior Member Join Date: February 23, 2005 Posts: 13,195	Reversed primer - factory Magtech ammo .....in a .45 acp, 230gr RN bullet.....fired by a buddy at the range .....did some minor damage to his Springfield full sized 1911...breaking the firing pin spring. Easy to fix - so not a big deal ... Lots of debris - back in his face when he pulled the trigger...but he was wearing shooting glasses ... / ...left a couple of marks on his face on one side .... bullet did not leave the case ...in his mishap ...

July 14, 2011, 12:19 AM	#12
jfrey Senior Member Join Date: May 16, 2008 Location: Coastal South Texas Posts: 557	I've seen this twice in factory rifle ammo and once in factory pistol ammo. I've done it twice reloading my own pistol ammo so I individually check every round before I ever leave the bench. Things like that could really mess up your day at the range.