|
Forum Rules | Firearms Safety | Firearms Photos | Links | Library | Lost Password | Email Changes |
Register | FAQ | Calendar | Today's Posts | Search |
|
Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
December 18, 2009, 04:33 AM | #26 | |||||
Junior member
Join Date: October 9, 2004
Location: Northeast Alabama
Posts: 2,580
|
Quote:
Quote:
I've found that most people get really upset when you attempt to slaughter their sacred cows. Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
|
|||||
December 18, 2009, 04:40 AM | #27 | |
Junior member
Join Date: October 9, 2004
Location: Northeast Alabama
Posts: 2,580
|
In the interest of disclosure, I did ask this question on other forums. Here is one of the answers I got elsewhere:
Quote:
|
|
December 18, 2009, 04:47 AM | #28 |
Senior Member
Join Date: November 17, 2008
Location: gulf of mexico
Posts: 2,716
|
i carry a kel tec p32 in my right butt pocket, i now have my wallet in the left.
while i can draw with my left hand, its a pita, and requires some obvious movement. all the training in the army of carrying stuff in the left hand/side(in case you need to salute) pays off now, as its such a habit i usually dont even think about it. its not too big of a deal for me, tho i have thought about it.
__________________
There is only one tactical principle which is not subject to change. It is to use the means at hand to inflict the maximum amount of wound, death, and destruction on the enemy in the minimum amount of time." |
December 18, 2009, 09:29 AM | #29 | ||
Senior Member
Join Date: August 3, 2009
Posts: 509
|
Quote:
Thanks for sharing that.... How do you think timings differ across different seasons? For example, in the summer, I'm sure your observations are probably very reflective. What about in the fall with a few layers? Now how about the winter with multiple layers? I posted the below a few days ago.... Quote:
|
||
December 18, 2009, 09:37 AM | #30 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: August 3, 2009
Posts: 509
|
Quote:
|
|
December 18, 2009, 09:45 AM | #31 |
Senior Member
Join Date: June 18, 2004
Location: Central Ohio
Posts: 2,568
|
For many of the above stated reasons, . . . I don't pocket carry except in some extreme circumstances.
A quality IWB makes the most sense (though I personally prefer a shoulder holster) for speed, . . . accessability, . . . and accessability with either hand. Even if it is a "tuckable" and worn correctly, . . . strong hand drawing is certainly no slower than a pocket carrier starting with his hands ourside his pocket. An IWB worn at 4:30 for righties, . . . and 7:30 for lefties will allow either hand to access the weapon, . . . though the off hand does take some practice. May God bless, Dwight
__________________
www.dwightsgunleather.com If you can breathe, . . . thank God! If you can read, . . . thank a teacher! If you are reading this in English, . . . thank a Veteran! |
December 18, 2009, 01:21 PM | #32 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: January 12, 2009
Posts: 122
|
Quote:
VL |
|
December 18, 2009, 04:40 PM | #33 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: March 14, 2005
Location: Concord, NH
Posts: 2,723
|
Quote:
Now, there might be speed advantage to carrying in the pocket of the outer layer, but I generally don't like to carry like that (it complicates situations where I might need to remove that layer) so I've never tried it against the clock. |
|
December 18, 2009, 05:00 PM | #34 |
Junior member
Join Date: September 28, 2005
Location: Mesa, AZ
Posts: 6,465
|
I've recently resolved to do both whenever possible.
I used to ONLY carry IWB, or ONLY carry in the pocket. IWB would be typically served by a Colt Commander, and pocket carry was done with a Smith 642. Now I just carry both of 'em whenever I can, and I'm working on perfecting my carry technique and my off-hand draw and presentation of the snubbie. That's the neat thing about living in America... I can. Except New Mexico, where CCW permits (even though I have reciprocity) only allow for 1 firearm on the person. Then I fall back to the strong-side Colt. |
December 18, 2009, 05:16 PM | #35 | |||||
Senior Member
Join Date: February 27, 2008
Location: midwest
Posts: 4,209
|
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
__________________
rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6 Quote:
|
|||||
December 19, 2009, 08:57 PM | #36 |
Senior Member
Join Date: December 24, 1999
Location: America
Posts: 3,479
|
I'm not a fan of pocket carry for primary pistols, though often rely on pocket carry for secondary pistols. Specifically, front pocket, support-hand side. Why? I can't reliably access a pistol from the pocket in other than an upright, relatively static position. In other words, the ideal "standing and walking around" position. And since I'm out of that position so often throughout the average day, let alone during training cycles... I chose not to rely on pocket carry for a primary except in rare circumstances. But that's just me.
As for accessing and using a support-side pocketed BUG, I train to default to doing so with my support-hand. I figure at that point I've got so much working against me that I've got to make up some time, if nothing else.
__________________
Meriam Webster's: Main Entry: ci·vil·ian Pronunciation: \sə-ˈvil-yən also -ˈvi-yən\, Function: noun, Date: 14th century, 1: a specialist in Roman or modern civil law, 2 a: one not on active duty in the armed services or not on a police or firefighting force b: outsider 1, — civilian adjective Last edited by Erik; December 19, 2009 at 09:11 PM. |
December 29, 2009, 12:36 PM | #37 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 27, 2007
Location: DFW Metroplex (well, McKinney)
Posts: 858
|
Nothing's perfect. Is it possible you might need to draw your gun with your other hand? Sure, it's possible. But there are bigger problems with pocket carry than that*. Still, strong-side front pocket carry has so many tactical advantages of such great value that the problems are outweighed, at least in my opinion.
*such as the difficulty of drawing your gun when sitting.
__________________
I believe in a world which consists of America, her friends, and her dead enemies. |
December 29, 2009, 03:26 PM | #38 |
Senior Member
Join Date: November 16, 2008
Posts: 1,692
|
POCKET
Pocket carry is easier for ME living in FLORIDA .Tried diferent holsters but pocket works best NO PRINTING IN FL.
__________________
No Gun Big Or Small Does It All |
January 4, 2010, 01:07 PM | #39 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 22, 2005
Location: USA The Great State of California
Posts: 2,090
|
Here in California I have read that putting ones hand on a firearm and generating fear in another can lead to a felony. For what it is worth, I find greater comfort in being able to put my hand in my pocket and grip a handgun than worry about not being able to very quickly, or easily reach the handgun with my weak hand.
Yes I can get to the handgun with the weakside hand (even if I have to take off the pants). It just is not quick. I've thought about it and given more value to having my hand on a gun under some circumstances, without stirring up notice of same. Do I care ? Hmmmm yes and no. It would ne nice to have a J frame in each pocket, but sometimes I am compelled to simply accept the givens. In any event, here in California one is limited to three handguns for carry. However I figure there seems to be no 'Perfect' method, all seem to have advantages and disadvantages. It seems one is free to focus on the advantages, or the disadvantages, of each method. Then pick the method one is most comfortable with and practice, practice, practice. Be safe out there.
__________________
Hook686 When the number of people in institutions reaches 51%, we change sides. Last edited by Hook686; January 4, 2010 at 02:21 PM. |
January 4, 2010, 01:45 PM | #40 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: June 9, 2001
Location: Lafayette, Indiana--American-occupied America
Posts: 5,418
|
Quote:
2. I have to be seated and then set my feet and twist my shoulder (reach with the body, not the hand) to my left pocket). 3. Yes, that is why I do not do it. Also, pocket carry is dangerous as we have had news stories here at TFL over the years where people have been killed or seriously injured with pocket carry (including Yankees manager Billy Martin who was nearly killed at a bar in Indianapolis when a pistol fell out of a pocket of a fellow bar patron). 4. Yes, I care, that is why I do not carry in my pocket. If I was up on my feet more it might be a good place for a third or fourth gun, but just to drop the pistol in my pocket as the gun shoppe commandos tell you (and then they always pat their pockets) is less than optimal. Pockets in outside cover garments, winter coats and the like, may be utilitarian especially if seated in an automobile.
__________________
"Arguments of policy must give way to a constitutional command." Payton v. New York, 445 U.S. 573, 602 (1980). |
|
January 4, 2010, 02:54 PM | #41 |
Senior Member
Join Date: September 11, 2008
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 1,014
|
I agree with Mav. I pocket carry only when I am not expecting to need a gun.
Why the criticism of the 5 shot snubbie especially the hammerless versions for pocket carry. |
January 9, 2010, 09:24 AM | #42 | |
Junior member
Join Date: October 9, 2004
Location: Northeast Alabama
Posts: 2,580
|
Quote:
More so those who shoot a 5-shot occasionally, stick it in their pocket, and consider themselves 'prepared'. |
|
January 9, 2010, 09:57 AM | #43 |
Senior Member
Join Date: January 7, 2010
Location: Western North Carolina
Posts: 143
|
Not a moot point.
I too asked this same question. In the field its not an issue. But, when you're carrying concealed it is. Most pocket guns allow a very small amount of ammo. And, even though in most situations this amount is enough, it is comforting to know that you have a backup. You never know when your mag will malfunction even if you dont need extra ammo. I solve the problem by carrying on the inside of my weak side ankle with a holster that allows for an extra magazine. This allows me to access the weapon and spare mag from either side. When you're carrying concealed, you should always keep in mind that your clothing should go around the weapon rather than vice versa. Cargo pants are a good solution to this problem. It's pretty easy to get to a cargo pocket with either hand. If cargos are not an option, then think about the angle of the opening of your pocket. A lesser angle and shallower pocket makes grabbing the mag with your off hand less of an act of contortion. Or, if all else fails, carry an extra mag in each pocket. Then access with either hand really does become a moot point.
__________________
"Those who hammer their guns into plow shears will become subject to those who do not." |
January 9, 2010, 11:00 AM | #44 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: August 3, 2009
Posts: 509
|
Quote:
But, what of the Dentist, Doctor, Lawyer, Accountant, Librarian or other who doesn't have any interest in guns and has filled their lives with other activities and interests. They buy a gun for insurance and pay their premiums a few times a year practicing at the range. Are they less prepared for the world than Joe/Jane Commando carrying his/her 4 guns, 3 knives, brass knuckles and what ever else strikes his/her fancy? Should they be judged and degraded because they aren't capable of taking on a gang single handedly? Perhaps, being able to defend against a late night movie theater parking lot mugger is really the extent of their concern. These people are not inferior to you, smince. They merely value things differently then you do. I, and I suspect you as well, (really) enjoy guns. How much of what we justify as necessity is really just furthering our enjoyment of a hobby? |
|
January 9, 2010, 11:41 AM | #45 | |
Junior member
Join Date: October 9, 2004
Location: Northeast Alabama
Posts: 2,580
|
OK, maybe I should have said:
Quote:
Last edited by smince; January 9, 2010 at 12:56 PM. |
|
January 9, 2010, 12:03 PM | #46 |
Senior Member
Join Date: March 31, 2005
Location: Tennessee
Posts: 1,775
|
smince,
I don't know if you have heard of him but Michael Bane does a very good podcast called DownRange Radio. In his last podcast (#142) he talks about thinking about the "odds" when going thru life activities. Seeing the world as it is rather than we wish it to be. I would recommend it for a listen. While one may be best prepared wearing a 1911 and carrying a tricked out AR-15 it may not be very likely that you would need such if you arre just going to the mini-mart for milk. I pocket carry a five shot revolver and based on the lifestyle I lead I think that option suffices. I could be wrong and be attacked by a ninja hit team so then I might be out of luck.
__________________
"God and the Soldier we adore, in time of trouble but not before. When the danger's past and the wrong been righted, God is forgotten and the Soldier slighted." Anonymous Soldier. |
January 9, 2010, 12:58 PM | #47 |
Member
Join Date: November 28, 2007
Location: North Texas
Posts: 97
|
Wow folks...
Carry what you want, how you want and train a bunch. I live in the country and pocket carry a 642-1 every day. When I'm in town walking into the store, or wherever, my hand is always on the grip. When I'm driving the gun is secured and ready at my side. On the tractor, the pocket holster and gun get tucked into my waistband appendix style or a coat pocket. I have speedloaders and strips pretty much everywhere - truck, tractors, pockets...you name it. Because you can never be 'too' prepared, there's also a 22 rifle and a 12 gauge behind the seat, ready to go. Works for me. rd |
January 9, 2010, 01:33 PM | #48 |
Junior member
Join Date: October 9, 2004
Location: Northeast Alabama
Posts: 2,580
|
Ok, I listened to Mr. Banes podcast.
I don't see that he and I are at 'odds' (pardon the pun). I'm not 'operator grade' as he refers to. You see me out, and you wouldn't even think I had a gun, which is as it should be. No 511 gear, BDU's or "photo vests". Believe it or not, I usually DON'T have a rifle or shotgun in my vehicle. I don't play the odds. I like to stack the deck in my favor. That's why I carry a G19 or 26 instead of a 5-shot snubbie. That's why I pay upwards of $1000 a to attend professional training once or twice a year. One instructor is fond of saying "Luck favors the prepared". Mr. Bane is correct: the world is a dangerous place. I live in a small town, pop less than 5000. A good friend of mine didn't expect to shoot every round out of his LCP one night last year when he went to visit his girlfriend, but it happened. And it served him, but just barely. Now he's looking for a bigger gun with more capacity and seeking better training. I think I'm through with this one. EDITED TO ADD: My wife, son, and I just went out for lunch. Our round trip was less than 5 miles. I carried my G19, reload, and a knife. My wife had her EDC, reload and knife. FWIW. Last edited by smince; January 9, 2010 at 03:19 PM. |
January 9, 2010, 04:24 PM | #49 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: March 31, 2005
Location: Tennessee
Posts: 1,775
|
Quote:
BTW I think having a gun the bad guy doesn't know you have stacks the deck pretty well.
__________________
"God and the Soldier we adore, in time of trouble but not before. When the danger's past and the wrong been righted, God is forgotten and the Soldier slighted." Anonymous Soldier. |
|
January 9, 2010, 07:04 PM | #50 | ||
Junior member
Join Date: October 9, 2004
Location: Northeast Alabama
Posts: 2,580
|
Quote:
ASSUMING everything will be a 1 on 1 affair and ASSUMING that 1 or 2 rounds will solve all your problems is just frankly ludicrous. Quote:
|
||
|
|