Hi yall! Questions on a pistol.

Garthine · October 8, 2005, 02:00 PM

Hi Yall been a while!

Purchased a colt .45 today but it takes long colts? Its a cowboy replica
with a back-hatch for load`n & eject`n the rounds real neat & the price was right but I have no clue what the diffrence between a colt .45 & a long colt .45 is. will this thing shoot the same .45 rounds as any other revolver of the same cal?

Hope yall know more about this than I do.
Garthine.

mec · October 8, 2005, 02:15 PM

A magnet for pendantry is what. People use it to demonstrate their superior knowlege or ability to yell louder than the other party. The paramont experts say there is no such thing as a .45 Long Colt- Since there is no pre-existing .45 short colt. Of course the words .45 Long Colt have appeared on cartridge boxes and there are short cartridges for the .45 Schofield and maybe even the colt.
As a practical matter though the words "45 Colt" and .45 Long Colt" refer to exactly the same cartridge.

Garthine · October 8, 2005, 02:38 PM

So what your say`n is (& I want to be quite clear on this) a colt .45 for ANY colt revolver will work in this thing?

mec · October 8, 2005, 03:55 PM

Things like the .45 Automatic cartridge won't- unless you have a spare cylinder chambered for it. but any factory load labled .45 Colt will chamber in the .45 colt cylinders. Also, any .45. S&W cartridge- which is just a shorter version brough out after the colt round for the short-cylindered S&W revolvers.

There are a couple of factories making cartridges for the extra strong .45 colt revolvers like some of the Rugers and large framed Colt double actions that are too powerful for traditional Single actions or the N-framed smiths . You generally have to go looking for these rounds and will run into all sorts of warnings about their suitability for specific guns.

hap · October 8, 2005, 06:28 PM

Congratulations. You have now entered the Bizarro world of
cartridge nomenclature. ( key twilight zone theme )
da da da da...... da da da da

Garthine · October 13, 2005, 04:33 PM

Hap is that your name? Hell thats my name!!!

Garthine · October 13, 2005, 04:34 PM

Well I bought it its a colt bounty hunter .45 made in the EU.

Hafoc · October 15, 2005, 10:26 AM

Speaking of which, I've always choked on the revolver-is-not-a-pistol thing. I do know the difference, and I use the terms "correctly" since if you don't, somebody is sure to jump down your throat about it. But Colonel Sam'l named his creation "Colt's Patent Revolving Pistol," and if the guy who invented it says it's a pistol, I'm willing to take his word on it.

mec · October 15, 2005, 11:23 AM

the pistol/revolver thing was an item about 30 years ago. All the experts went to great lengths yelling that a pistol has a contiguous barrel and chamber where as a revolver has separate ones. They had neglected to read what colt called his invention- " A revolving pistol."

Sir William · October 21, 2005, 03:35 AM

Your revolver will safely fire 45 Schofield AKA 45 S&W, 45 Government, 45 Colt AKA 45 Long Colt and IIRC, 450 Eley/Adams/Trainter. Bounty Hunters are pretty decent revolvers.

Garthine · November 15, 2005, 06:36 PM

Hi Yall
Tested it & went through 4 boxes of ammo (200 rounds) & she fires good`n straight & the recoils next to nothin VERY nice pistol (& I`v always called any "handgun" A pistol).

Old Dragoon · November 15, 2005, 09:25 PM

Sir William,
I thought 45 Government was 45-70, a rifle cartridge. Do they have the same nomenclature for a 45 pistol round also? I have heard of and/or shot the other pistol rounds.

Jbar4Ranch · November 17, 2005, 11:32 PM

At various times, the term ".45 Government" was applied to the .45-70, the .45 Colt, and the .45 Schofield.

The original name for the .45 Colt/.45 long Colt was indeed .45 Colt. Then, very shortly after the introduction of the .45 Colt, along came the .45 Schofield. Until properly headstamped cases could be supplied, the .45 Schofield was loaded by some makers in shortened .45 Colt cases. As it became very apparent in short order that consumers were confused by a box that said .45 Schofield and contained cartridges headstamped .45 Colt, there were even ammo boxes marked ".45 short Colt", along with the existing ".45 Colt" and even ".45 long Colt" to differentiate from the .45 Colt marked Schofield rounds in the .45 short Colt boxes. Confused yet?

The term ".45 long Colt" is somewhat antiquated perhaps, but certainly not incorrect.

Old Dragoon · November 17, 2005, 11:57 PM

Thanks jbar4ranch,
I never knew that...trying my durndest to jam a 45-70 into a 45 LC...LOL

That'd be almost as bad as me loading 44 Rem mags in a 45LC. It was a Cimarron 1873 and I and the gun survived. Split the cases rim to mnouth and I had to drive them out of the cylindr with a hammer and dowel rod. Sent it back and it checked out in spec.

NEVER Rabbit Ear, carry on a conversation with anyone when you are loading up, or better yet shoot different calibers at the same time. From now on one Cal. at a time with only that guns cartridges on the table.

I found out that that old saying about Fools and children rang true. The Lord protects Fools and Children. I have been there and done that in both instances.

gmatov · November 18, 2005, 01:32 AM

Dragoon,

How'd you manage to get distracted just enough to, in your narrative, load a 44, a 45, a 44, a 45, a 44, and yet another 45?

Like, reach to the right of the bench, grab a 44, to the left, grab a 45, to the right, the left, etc.

Yeah, mebbe you should just shoot one calibre at a time.

How'd the 429 44 ball fly from the 450 whatever barrel? Hit the paper?

Cheers,

George

Hafoc · November 24, 2005, 01:08 PM

I can see something like that happening, especially if you reload a lot. At one time I had a .45 Colt and a .44-40, and it was pretty difficult to tell the cartriges apart at arm's length. I suppose it's just as well the .44-40 didn't work properly, so I didn't keep it. Now the only large-bore revolver cartridge I have is the .45 Colt. Does make mixing up my ammo a LITTLE less likely.

Old Dragoon · November 24, 2005, 02:15 PM

I had both open boxes of ammo and both guns on the shooting table along with several other guns and ammo. we were shooting his and mine. My Nephew was on the other side. We were jawing and loading. I just stood there like a dummy without looking, or minding my business, loaded up the 45LC. Didn't realize it till I took or tried to, the first two spent cartridges out. One was aluminum(Blazer) and the 44's were brass and stuck in the cylinder. As I recall all bullets hit the paper, but I don't remeber what the pattern was. I was too shook up with the experience. My word of caution. Make sure you know what you are putting into your pistol. We continued shooting,but we seperated the guns and ammo, and minded our business when loading up.
Scared the H+++ out of me!

gmatov · November 26, 2005, 01:27 AM

Hafoc, Hell, I HAVE to hold them at arms length, to tell if they are 38 or 44 or 45.
just watched the Gene Hackman thing where the blind kid is feeling through a box of assorted c'atridges to get the good guy a c'atridge to fit his gun, and throw it to him to boot.

Halfway decent film. Kinda ridiculous, BUT.....

Cheers,

George

gmatov · November 26, 2005, 01:27 AM

Try2

gmatov · November 26, 2005, 01:27 AM

Try3

gmatov · November 26, 2005, 01:28 AM

Try1

gmatov · November 26, 2005, 01:28 AM

Try4

gmatov · November 27, 2005, 02:50 AM

How the hell that could have happened, I do not know. I do not keep clicking when a post doesn't get posted, just figure the site is a little overloaded.

I apologize. Will see if I can remove them.

Cheers,

George

Don't know how to remove them, but not repetitive. Sorry.

October 8, 2005, 02:00 PM	#1
Garthine Member Join Date: January 10, 2005 Location: USA Posts: 16	Hi yall! Questions on a pistol. Hi Yall been a while! Purchased a colt .45 today but it takes long colts? Its a cowboy replica with a back-hatch for load`n & eject`n the rounds real neat & the price was right but I have no clue what the diffrence between a colt .45 & a long colt .45 is. will this thing shoot the same .45 rounds as any other revolver of the same cal? Hope yall know more about this than I do. Garthine.

October 8, 2005, 02:38 PM	#3
Garthine Member Join Date: January 10, 2005 Location: USA Posts: 16	Ok........... So what your say`n is (& I want to be quite clear on this) a colt .45 for ANY colt revolver will work in this thing? Last edited by Garthine; October 8, 2005 at 02:40 PM. Reason: Want to be clear on the matter.

October 13, 2005, 04:33 PM	#6
Garthine Member Join Date: January 10, 2005 Location: USA Posts: 16	Wth! Hap is that your name? Hell thats my name!!!

October 15, 2005, 10:26 AM	#8
Hafoc Senior Member Join Date: August 20, 2005 Posts: 552	pedantry Speaking of which, I've always choked on the revolver-is-not-a-pistol thing. I do know the difference, and I use the terms "correctly" since if you don't, somebody is sure to jump down your throat about it. But Colonel Sam'l named his creation "Colt's Patent Revolving Pistol," and if the guy who invented it says it's a pistol, I'm willing to take his word on it.

November 17, 2005, 11:32 PM	#13
Jbar4Ranch Senior Member Join Date: May 19, 1999 Location: Near Helena, Montana Posts: 1,719	At various times, the term ".45 Government" was applied to the .45-70, the .45 Colt, and the .45 Schofield. The original name for the .45 Colt/.45 long Colt was indeed .45 Colt. Then, very shortly after the introduction of the .45 Colt, along came the .45 Schofield. Until properly headstamped cases could be supplied, the .45 Schofield was loaded by some makers in shortened .45 Colt cases. As it became very apparent in short order that consumers were confused by a box that said .45 Schofield and contained cartridges headstamped .45 Colt, there were even ammo boxes marked ".45 short Colt", along with the existing ".45 Colt" and even ".45 long Colt" to differentiate from the .45 Colt marked Schofield rounds in the .45 short Colt boxes. Confused yet? The term ".45 long Colt" is somewhat antiquated perhaps, but certainly not incorrect. __________________ Sometimes the squeaky wheel gets replaced... SASS 47015

October 8, 2005, 02:15 PM	#2
mec Junior member Join Date: December 6, 2001 Posts: 1,536	A magnet for pendantry is what. People use it to demonstrate their superior knowlege or ability to yell louder than the other party. The paramont experts say there is no such thing as a .45 Long Colt- Since there is no pre-existing .45 short colt. Of course the words .45 Long Colt have appeared on cartridge boxes and there are short cartridges for the .45 Schofield and maybe even the colt. As a practical matter though the words "45 Colt" and .45 Long Colt" refer to exactly the same cartridge.

October 8, 2005, 03:55 PM	#4
mec Junior member Join Date: December 6, 2001 Posts: 1,536	Things like the .45 Automatic cartridge won't- unless you have a spare cylinder chambered for it. but any factory load labled .45 Colt will chamber in the .45 colt cylinders. Also, any .45. S&W cartridge- which is just a shorter version brough out after the colt round for the short-cylindered S&W revolvers. There are a couple of factories making cartridges for the extra strong .45 colt revolvers like some of the Rugers and large framed Colt double actions that are too powerful for traditional Single actions or the N-framed smiths . You generally have to go looking for these rounds and will run into all sorts of warnings about their suitability for specific guns.

October 8, 2005, 06:28 PM	#5
hap Member Join Date: March 22, 2005 Posts: 22	Congratulations. You have now entered the Bizarro world of cartridge nomenclature. ( key twilight zone theme ) da da da da...... da da da da

October 13, 2005, 04:34 PM	#7
Garthine Member Join Date: January 10, 2005 Location: USA Posts: 16	Well I bought it its a colt bounty hunter .45 made in the EU.

October 15, 2005, 11:23 AM	#9
mec Junior member Join Date: December 6, 2001 Posts: 1,536	the pistol/revolver thing was an item about 30 years ago. All the experts went to great lengths yelling that a pistol has a contiguous barrel and chamber where as a revolver has separate ones. They had neglected to read what colt called his invention- " A revolving pistol."

October 21, 2005, 03:35 AM	#10
Sir William Senior Member Join Date: October 13, 2004 Posts: 3,261	Your revolver will safely fire 45 Schofield AKA 45 S&W, 45 Government, 45 Colt AKA 45 Long Colt and IIRC, 450 Eley/Adams/Trainter. Bounty Hunters are pretty decent revolvers.

November 15, 2005, 06:36 PM	#11
Garthine Member Join Date: January 10, 2005 Location: USA Posts: 16	Hi Yall Tested it & went through 4 boxes of ammo (200 rounds) & she fires good`n straight & the recoils next to nothin VERY nice pistol (& I`v always called any "handgun" A pistol).

November 15, 2005, 09:25 PM	#12
Old Dragoon Senior Member Join Date: October 31, 2005 Location: The Republic of Californi Posts: 581	Sir William, I thought 45 Government was 45-70, a rifle cartridge. Do they have the same nomenclature for a 45 pistol round also? I have heard of and/or shot the other pistol rounds.

November 17, 2005, 11:57 PM	#14
Old Dragoon Senior Member Join Date: October 31, 2005 Location: The Republic of Californi Posts: 581	Thanks jbar4ranch, I never knew that...trying my durndest to jam a 45-70 into a 45 LC...LOL That'd be almost as bad as me loading 44 Rem mags in a 45LC. It was a Cimarron 1873 and I and the gun survived. Split the cases rim to mnouth and I had to drive them out of the cylindr with a hammer and dowel rod. Sent it back and it checked out in spec. NEVER Rabbit Ear, carry on a conversation with anyone when you are loading up, or better yet shoot different calibers at the same time. From now on one Cal. at a time with only that guns cartridges on the table. I found out that that old saying about Fools and children rang true. The Lord protects Fools and Children. I have been there and done that in both instances.

November 18, 2005, 01:32 AM	#15
gmatov Junior member Join Date: September 20, 2005 Posts: 346	Dragoon, How'd you manage to get distracted just enough to, in your narrative, load a 44, a 45, a 44, a 45, a 44, and yet another 45? Like, reach to the right of the bench, grab a 44, to the left, grab a 45, to the right, the left, etc. Yeah, mebbe you should just shoot one calibre at a time. How'd the 429 44 ball fly from the 450 whatever barrel? Hit the paper? Cheers, George

November 24, 2005, 01:08 PM	#16
Hafoc Senior Member Join Date: August 20, 2005 Posts: 552	I can see something like that happening, especially if you reload a lot. At one time I had a .45 Colt and a .44-40, and it was pretty difficult to tell the cartriges apart at arm's length. I suppose it's just as well the .44-40 didn't work properly, so I didn't keep it. Now the only large-bore revolver cartridge I have is the .45 Colt. Does make mixing up my ammo a LITTLE less likely.

November 24, 2005, 02:15 PM	#17
Old Dragoon Senior Member Join Date: October 31, 2005 Location: The Republic of Californi Posts: 581	I had both open boxes of ammo and both guns on the shooting table along with several other guns and ammo. we were shooting his and mine. My Nephew was on the other side. We were jawing and loading. I just stood there like a dummy without looking, or minding my business, loaded up the 45LC. Didn't realize it till I took or tried to, the first two spent cartridges out. One was aluminum(Blazer) and the 44's were brass and stuck in the cylinder. As I recall all bullets hit the paper, but I don't remeber what the pattern was. I was too shook up with the experience. My word of caution. Make sure you know what you are putting into your pistol. We continued shooting,but we seperated the guns and ammo, and minded our business when loading up. Scared the H+++ out of me!

November 26, 2005, 01:27 AM	#18
gmatov Junior member Join Date: September 20, 2005 Posts: 346	Hafoc, Hell, I HAVE to hold them at arms length, to tell if they are 38 or 44 or 45. just watched the Gene Hackman thing where the blind kid is feeling through a box of assorted c'atridges to get the good guy a c'atridge to fit his gun, and throw it to him to boot. Halfway decent film. Kinda ridiculous, BUT..... Cheers, George

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November 27, 2005, 02:50 AM	#23
gmatov Junior member Join Date: September 20, 2005 Posts: 346	How the hell that could have happened, I do not know. I do not keep clicking when a post doesn't get posted, just figure the site is a little overloaded. I apologize. Will see if I can remove them. Cheers, George Don't know how to remove them, but not repetitive. Sorry.