what size caps for uberti dragoons?

Johnywinslow · February 10, 2010, 02:28 PM

what size caps do uberti dragoon revolvers use 10 or 11? should i get aftermarket 11 nipples if not? my remington uses #10 and can be a pain in the butt stock to find.

okiefarmer · February 10, 2010, 03:07 PM

Problem I have had with putting 10s on size 11 nipples is not firing the first time. It tends to seat the cap on down the first time, although sometimes it fires too. The second hit with the hammer is usually a fire. I got some 10s by mistake one time, and used enough before I realized what the issue was, and wasn't able to take them back

I've got some #10 nipples that I just squeeze #11 nipples down to fit, but they still sometimes fall off. I hear ya on the PITA to keep both around, but sometimes, it is a necessary evil.

If mine ever wear out, I likely will change all to #11. I would think that could be done. Just need to keep the thread size the same and nipple height equal. Don't have to say Remington, etc on it.

mykeal · February 10, 2010, 03:16 PM

Cap size numbers are meaningless when it comes to describing the size of the caps. Remington No. 10's are not the same size as CCI No. 10's, nor are the No. 11's the same size. Thus when talking about caps you must also specify the brand. Also, No. 11's are not necessarily larger than No. 10's; CCI No. 11's are larger than CCI No. 10's but Remington No. 11's are actually smaller than Remington No. 10's. Here are the dimensions of the most popular caps currently available:

And just to make things interesting, these dimensions vary from batch to batch; you don't get 3 decimal place precision for 4 cents apiece. So what fits your nipples on one gun today may not fit a year from now.

Isn't this fun?

Johnywinslow · February 10, 2010, 03:31 PM

oh geez that helps! I want to get nipples that fit cci #11 magnum caps i use on the smoke pole.I will probebly order new nipples with the guns, also what about ball size? .454 or .457? im guessing .457?

steelman762 · February 10, 2010, 04:14 PM

I use #11 on my 1858 new army. You have to just pinch the sides a little and they will fit snug. If its a 44cal pistol use 454 dia and a 45cal sould be 457dia.

Doc Hoy · February 10, 2010, 04:34 PM

Folks,

Regarding pinching caps to make them stay on the nipples.....

I know this is done. I have done it myself. Maybe it is part of black powder dogma and hence should not be questioned.

BUT.

The only time I ever experienced a chain fire event was on the day I pinched the caps on my Sheriff's Model .36 Colt. I am relatively certain that the chain fire occured through the nipple rather than the chamber because I had schmootzed up the chambers with schmootz. The recoil shield and ring on the pistol is in good shape and the cap was seated on the nipple so that I don't think the recoil bounced the cap on the recoil sheild and set it off. I had shot that pistol numerous times and only once did I have the chain fire event. That was the time I bit the caps. That is the last time I ever 1) shot that pistol and 2) squeezed caps.

When you squeeze in on one axis of the cap, the 90 degree axis opens up. Obviously I can't be certain, but I believe this was the route of the fire which ignited the second chamber.

Can any other member share chainfire experience even loosely associated with pinching caps?

Deadguy · February 10, 2010, 04:36 PM

I use Number 10 remingtons on my Dragoon and Walker and still have to pinch the caps a little bit for a snug fit.

February 10, 2010, 04:34 PM	#6
Doc Hoy Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Naples, Fl Posts: 5,440	Pinching Caps Folks, Regarding pinching caps to make them stay on the nipples..... I know this is done. I have done it myself. Maybe it is part of black powder dogma and hence should not be questioned. BUT. The only time I ever experienced a chain fire event was on the day I pinched the caps on my Sheriff's Model .36 Colt. I am relatively certain that the chain fire occured through the nipple rather than the chamber because I had schmootzed up the chambers with schmootz. The recoil shield and ring on the pistol is in good shape and the cap was seated on the nipple so that I don't think the recoil bounced the cap on the recoil sheild and set it off. I had shot that pistol numerous times and only once did I have the chain fire event. That was the time I bit the caps. That is the last time I ever 1) shot that pistol and 2) squeezed caps. When you squeeze in on one axis of the cap, the 90 degree axis opens up. Obviously I can't be certain, but I believe this was the route of the fire which ignited the second chamber. Can any other member share chainfire experience even loosely associated with pinching caps? __________________ Seek truth. Relax. Take a breath.

February 10, 2010, 02:28 PM	#1
Johnywinslow Senior Member Join Date: May 20, 2007 Posts: 131	what size caps for uberti dragoons? what size caps do uberti dragoon revolvers use 10 or 11? should i get aftermarket 11 nipples if not? my remington uses #10 and can be a pain in the butt stock to find.

February 10, 2010, 03:07 PM	#2
okiefarmer Senior Member Join Date: February 20, 2006 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 381	Problem I have had with putting 10s on size 11 nipples is not firing the first time. It tends to seat the cap on down the first time, although sometimes it fires too. The second hit with the hammer is usually a fire. I got some 10s by mistake one time, and used enough before I realized what the issue was, and wasn't able to take them back I've got some #10 nipples that I just squeeze #11 nipples down to fit, but they still sometimes fall off. I hear ya on the PITA to keep both around, but sometimes, it is a necessary evil. If mine ever wear out, I likely will change all to #11. I would think that could be done. Just need to keep the thread size the same and nipple height equal. Don't have to say Remington, etc on it.

February 10, 2010, 03:16 PM	#3
mykeal Senior Member Join Date: October 8, 2006 Location: Northern Michigan Posts: 2,772	Cap size numbers are meaningless when it comes to describing the size of the caps. Remington No. 10's are not the same size as CCI No. 10's, nor are the No. 11's the same size. Thus when talking about caps you must also specify the brand. Also, No. 11's are not necessarily larger than No. 10's; CCI No. 11's are larger than CCI No. 10's but Remington No. 11's are actually smaller than Remington No. 10's. Here are the dimensions of the most popular caps currently available: And just to make things interesting, these dimensions vary from batch to batch; you don't get 3 decimal place precision for 4 cents apiece. So what fits your nipples on one gun today may not fit a year from now. Isn't this fun?

February 10, 2010, 03:31 PM	#4
Johnywinslow Senior Member Join Date: May 20, 2007 Posts: 131	oh geez that helps! I want to get nipples that fit cci #11 magnum caps i use on the smoke pole.I will probebly order new nipples with the guns, also what about ball size? .454 or .457? im guessing .457?

February 10, 2010, 04:14 PM	#5
steelman762 Member Join Date: January 18, 2010 Posts: 61	I use #11 on my 1858 new army. You have to just pinch the sides a little and they will fit snug. If its a 44cal pistol use 454 dia and a 45cal sould be 457dia.

February 10, 2010, 04:36 PM	#7
Deadguy Member Join Date: April 17, 2008 Location: WI Posts: 93	I use Number 10 remingtons on my Dragoon and Walker and still have to pinch the caps a little bit for a snug fit.