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December 20, 2012, 08:03 AM | #151 |
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Geet..
My mom and dad both passed away. So did my father in law (who I was very close to). I mourn the loss at times, even after a number of years. Losing a child is far different. It's unexplainable. I'ts unimaginable. It's something only someone that's a member of that horrible fraternity knows. We grieve our loss and we will grieve our loss our whole lives. BTW - thank you for the kind words. |
December 20, 2012, 08:06 AM | #152 |
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My biggest worry is that my AR-15's will be banned from civilian ownership and that existing privately owned AR's can not be transferred to anyone, not even from father to son/daughter. I worry that they will be have to be handed over to the local law enforcement for disposal.
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December 20, 2012, 04:35 PM | #155 |
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I was thinking about unintended consequences. After 9/11 many folks stopped flying as they feared another attack. This increased the number of car accidents that produced about 2000 more deaths and many more injuries.
You still would have been safer flying. So around here all the stores are sold out of ARs. Panic buying. Now, usually buying such a gun is a deliberate and expensive proposition. The buyer probably has given some thought to it. Now we will have thousands or tens of thousands of these guns in the hands of impulse buyers. After a bit of time, if no laws prevent this, they may sell them unwisely. Or they may use them unwisely. Thus, will we have generated more than 26 deaths (which were tragic and horrible). If the guns appreciate in price, will they go for these high prices to less legit hands? Hopefully, they would stay in safes if they weren't with a competent user.
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December 20, 2012, 06:12 PM | #156 | |
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But given the history of making items illegal(guns,dope etc.) in this country and others(think Mexico when considering gun prices, think the US when speaking of dope), I don't think it will be a question of 'if' the prices would go up or 'if' some would end up in less legit hands. We know this will happen. I'm preaching to the choir here but thugs will be thugs ,will have money to support their lifestyle's, have guns and the 'powers to be' will not be able to stop them by making new laws. Especially when the thugs know our screwed up judicial system, know that the current existing laws and penalties for breaking them are not going to be enforced as written but rather plea bargained to a much lessor charge/sentence. |
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December 20, 2012, 07:38 PM | #157 |
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At the rate the media is reporting guns flying off the shelves the threat of a ban has done more to put more AR 15 in citizens hands than anything else.
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December 22, 2012, 12:40 AM | #158 |
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did the ruger mini ever fall under the assault rifle ban of years ago??
if it didnt, why not?? aesthetics alone?? |
December 22, 2012, 12:52 AM | #159 |
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This may not belong on this thread, but I'm avoiding opening a new thread with so many open on the Newtown killings.
What role do you think gun owners will play in passing this upcoming ban on semiautomatic rifles? On firearms forums I mostly see people opposed to a ban. However on other media, like Facebook, I see a lot of gun owners supporting a ban. (Coincidentally, they don't own ARs.) I've always felt a divide and conquer strategy would be effective on this issue. If they can get hunters and CCWers to hand AR owners over, who will stand behind CCWers when Congress pushes a handgun ban? Who will stand behind hunters or benchrest shooters when they try to ban "sniper rifles"? |
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It doesn't work that way. Facebook "friends" are, by a huge, huge margin, people that you know pretty well - not a bunch of anonymous "handles". |
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In that sort of environment, it was much easier to characterize shooters who were interested in handguns or "assault weapons" as an extremist fringe group. Back then there were enough gun owners willing to throw others under the bus so long as their deer rifles and trap guns were promised to be left alone that the AWB was able to pass though with barely enough votes. Today, things are very different. While hunting continues to decline, gun sales are at record highs and the NRA is registering 8,000 new members a day. Likewise, "assault weapons" are increasingly used for hunting and other sporting purposes with AR-15 derivatives being particularly popular. The big sellers in the gun industry have been handguns and "assault weapons" for several years. This is because the largest and fastest growing segment of gun owners are those interested in guns for self-defense and, while the anti's don't want to admit it, handguns and "assault weapons" are among the best types for self-defense. |
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December 22, 2012, 08:43 AM | #163 |
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Since we this title has realistic assessment, how about the Gov. Of NY floating the confiscation idea? How irresponsible is this? I cannot imagine what lawful gun owners in that state are thinking about that, but it comes as a shock to me as someone who studies history. This echoes back to pre-Revolutionary rifle confiscation of the British.
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Besides which, being an "actual gun owner" means less than nothing. Biden, Pelosi and Feinstein are "actual gun owners". |
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I will confess that I barely use Facebook out of concern for privacy issues. However, I'm with Brian on this. 90% of the "friend" requests are from people I've never heard of.
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First of all I don't see confiscation becoming a reality.
Secondly how are they going to know what I own, and what I have sold, if there are no record-keeping regulations in my state for private sales? Even if they track my purchases through dealers, how can they prove I haven't sold them in private sales transactions? Sorry, no guns in this house. Sold 'em all. |
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AH. I hear you. I just thought it was irresponsible to even suggest. Confiscation of citizen's legally purchased possessions flies in the face of so many rights that it was a bit surprising - even for New York.
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I use Facebook on a daily basis. Social media are a very powerful force in public opinion these days, and we should not overlook those outlets as a means to sway the "fence sitters." (We'll never get the hardcore antis to jump the fence, so attempting to do so is wasted energy, IMO.)
I kept my mouth shut for the first few days after the Sandy Hook shooting while I "took the pulse" of my FB friends, all of whom I know in real life. Then I composed a long post containing my thoughts on Sandy Hook, the 2A, and the RKBA. I had several requests to repost, and all I asked was that they "tag" me in it with something like "Thanks to Spats McGee" so that I could track my own post. This has allowed me to reach out and engage in several "conversations" about these matters. That was several days ago, and I have not been called a "whackjob" yet.
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I grieve for the victims especially the kids. No one can imagine the grief, the feelings of loss and the anger that the parents must feel. The damage that this one sick psychopathic moron has caused is unfathomable.
As for us we simply are screwed. |
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The gun banners erred seriously in 1994. They zeroed in too closely on being too specific about what they were banning, and about what defined (for them) an "assault weapon." Flash hiders, bayonet lugs, and telescoping stocks were standard features of military weapons, hence they became "evil." Surprise, surprise ... companies who manufacture guns are in the business of manufacturing guns, so they simply shifted gears slightly and manufactured AR-15 "type" rifles in post-ban configuration: No flash hider, no bayonet lug, fixed stock, 10-round magazine. Done. The gun grabbers went berserk. "FOUL!" they cried. "It still looks eeeeevvillll! They're taking advantage of a loophole in the law!" No, dummies, they were NOT taking advantage of a "loophole" -- they were manufacturing firearms in complete, total, 100 percent compliance with the language of the law YOU enacted. Calling that taking advantage of a loophole is like a cop stopping a guy driving 64 miles an hour on a 65 MPH highway and accusing him of "taking advantage of a loophole" to avoid a speeding ticket by not speeding. The problem today is, the critters in Washington know they screwed up with the 1994 AWB, and they are determined that they will not leave such "loopholes" the next time. Whatever they propose this time around, you can be assured that it will be far more draconian, and far wider in scope. They still do their best to confuse the public, but they know the difference between single shot, semi-automatic, and automatic. They're after ALL semi-automatic firearms this time, so the guys who think their Ruger Mini-14 or Mini-30, or SKS, or M1A will be safe had better reconsider whose side they are on. |
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^^^and may go as far as extended tubed shotguns.
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As it is, we haven't seen any of the proposed legislation yet, so it's far too early to form any sort of conclusion.
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Were the people directly affected by the act heard? Was their opinion or expertise counted when they disagreed with the second-handers who run our government? No.
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There is no sense in believing that our gun rights have been given to us by the government. This 'war' that pro 2nd Amendment people have been fighting for many years has seen many battles and between the anti-gun groups and many of today's politicians, there are going to be many more battles. We can choose to lay down and let our rights be stripped or we can get involved and fight to retain them No...we are NOT simply screwed. |
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