How good of a shot are most BG's? - Page 3

Lycanthrope · January 26, 2006, 11:39 PM

Yes, criminals tend to be bad...but lucky shots....

Would you rather be good or lucky?

I'm currently striving for both......

pickpocket · January 26, 2006, 11:57 PM

Depends...if I'm getting shot AT then I'd rather be lucky...

If I'm doing the shooting I'd go for Good.

Ares45 · January 28, 2006, 01:46 PM

Lee Malvo, Columbine H.S., JKF, Reagan attempt. The attempted assassination of Truman at the Blair House by two PuertoRican nationals armed with semi-auto 9mm pistols killed or wounded a half dozen secret service agents before they were put down. Two of the agents were expert marksman and competetion pistol shooters.

All impressive shooting by mostly amateurs . The Reagan attempted assassination especially. John W. Hinckley Jr., by all accounts had no previous firearms training and took on a dozen well trained secret service agents and a crowd of police and reporters. With a six shot revolver he hit: POTUS in the lung, 1 SS agent, 1 police officer, and of course Jim Brady.

Never underestimate your opponent. Ever. Sometimes they just get lucky.

KNJoe · January 31, 2006, 03:19 AM

Many wonderful points have been made, I don't think there's any more to say on the subject of opinion.

Only posting here to throw out some numbers. Last year, known American civilian crimescenes revealed a 2/11 proficiency by the so-called 'bad guy' and only 5/11 by LEO, at an average of ten metres. I'm not sure whether I can post detailed studies of military happenstance, so I won't.

Nice thread.

BigFunWMU · January 31, 2006, 03:31 AM

I am a strong believer in good luck through good planning. Also, I assume that anyone who points a gun at me in a threatening manner (as opposed to idiocy, which is another matter; shot at vs yelled at...alot), knows how to use it.

That said, my control over my luck is limited at best. My control over my skill level is much greater. If the BG makes a decision to put my life in danger, and I decide to end that danger, I would really like to stop him before he hurts me. The better my skill is, the less luck I need to do that.

January 26, 2006, 11:57 PM	#52
pickpocket Senior Member Join Date: January 6, 2006 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 570	Depends...if I'm getting shot AT then I'd rather be lucky... If I'm doing the shooting I'd go for Good. __________________ Semper Fi- David Williams "Sabah al khair -- ismee Dave, ahnee al Shayṭān"

January 31, 2006, 03:31 AM	#55
BigFunWMU Senior Member Join Date: April 26, 2005 Posts: 304	I am a strong believer in good luck through good planning. Also, I assume that anyone who points a gun at me in a threatening manner (as opposed to idiocy, which is another matter; shot at vs yelled at...alot), knows how to use it. That said, my control over my luck is limited at best. My control over my skill level is much greater. If the BG makes a decision to put my life in danger, and I decide to end that danger, I would really like to stop him before he hurts me. The better my skill is, the less luck I need to do that. __________________ "Anarchism is founded on the observation that since few men are wise enough to rule themselves, even fewer are wise enough to rule others." - Edward Abbey

January 26, 2006, 11:39 PM	#51
Lycanthrope Senior Member Join Date: October 1, 2001 Location: PA Posts: 1,752	Yes, criminals tend to be bad...but lucky shots.... Would you rather be good or lucky? I'm currently striving for both......

January 28, 2006, 01:46 PM	#53
Ares45 Senior Member Join Date: May 2, 2005 Posts: 211	Lee Malvo, Columbine H.S., JKF, Reagan attempt. The attempted assassination of Truman at the Blair House by two PuertoRican nationals armed with semi-auto 9mm pistols killed or wounded a half dozen secret service agents before they were put down. Two of the agents were expert marksman and competetion pistol shooters. All impressive shooting by mostly amateurs . The Reagan attempted assassination especially. John W. Hinckley Jr., by all accounts had no previous firearms training and took on a dozen well trained secret service agents and a crowd of police and reporters. With a six shot revolver he hit: POTUS in the lung, 1 SS agent, 1 police officer, and of course Jim Brady. Never underestimate your opponent. Ever. Sometimes they just get lucky.

January 31, 2006, 03:19 AM	#54
KNJoe Junior Member Join Date: January 15, 2006 Posts: 14	Many wonderful points have been made, I don't think there's any more to say on the subject of opinion. Only posting here to throw out some numbers. Last year, known American civilian crimescenes revealed a 2/11 proficiency by the so-called 'bad guy' and only 5/11 by LEO, at an average of ten metres. I'm not sure whether I can post detailed studies of military happenstance, so I won't. Nice thread.