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February 28, 2013, 08:47 PM | #51 |
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Also, I found this awesome website on another thread here on TFL
It's called Popvox.com... you sign in and you can weigh in on certain issues. It completes this with a pie chart of all users who have answered. The average gun control bill is opposed by a whopping 96% of popvox users. When you support or oppose, you can write a letter listing why and this will be sent to your representative in the House or the Senate (depending on where the bill is) |
February 28, 2013, 09:04 PM | #52 |
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Just wrote my representative Mr. Ron DeSantis
Message Subject: Please do not give an inch Message Text: Hello Mr. DeSantis, I am writing you today on the very much talked about topic of gun control. As a young person who will be able to vote for the first time next year, this is the first time I have ever attempted to directly contact a representative of mine. I know you get a lot of e-mails so I would like to cut to the chase. I do not believe that any part of any firearms ban is effective or constitutional. Simply put, to ban any kind of firearm (including those that have been banned up to this point) is infringing on rights. It can be argued that it does not mean we can not own a gun, but by simply limiting what we can own, I believe this constitutes an infringement. I believe today, if the founding fathers were around, the would be surprised at the number of people willing to to give up the rights they secured for us to help us avoid the very fights many people dedicated their lives to. It is not about what is necessary for hunting or even self-defense. We have the right to arm ourselves in the attack of a tyrannical government, civil insurrection, or invasion of a foreign entity. I would like to note that these weapons that "have no place on our streets" have been used to great effect to protect personal property from looting in cases of riots and natural disasters. I also feel it is worth nothing that of NFA registered automatic weapons, there are only 3 cases since the enactment of that law where one was used in a crime. I myself am in support of an AR-15. I believe every American who wants one should have one. I don't know why this particular weapon is so demonized, other than the fact that it is popular. Its use in mass crimes is not due to any unique abilities that aren't present in other weapons. It is simply iconic, available, and produced by more companies than almost any other rifle design. It is today's musket over the mantle. I desire to use one of these firearms for marksmanship and sporting purposes. The .223 round is a light round and not terribly effective against flesh targets -- to the point that in many states you cannot hunt with it as it is not considered powerful enough for a humane kill. I desire one of these rifles because it is modular, able to be used (in my case) for everything from long range marksmanship to 3 gun NRA shooting competitions. If I ever had to defend myself with one, I would not hesitate and I would hope my last thoughts before dying would not be "If only those 10 rounds hadn't gone so fast, this might not have happened." One last thing I would want you to think on: law enforcement officers are there to respond to criminals. The same criminals that we may be faced with in our daily lives. What does it tell us when law enforcement officers dealing with the same criminals that threaten us want to carry an AR-15 with a standard capacity magazine and a handgun holding 15 or 17? Certainly they deal with it on a daily basis and if they (rightfully) feel the need to use these for defense against the very criminals that might endanger us, perhaps we should consider that in fact it can be necessary (to say nothing of the constitutional right to do so). Thank you for your time, Mr. DeSantis, and as our representative I truly hope that you will not give one inch of our rights when it comes time to vote. Dakota Potts I guess the e-mailer I used on his website destroyed my line breaks. |
March 3, 2013, 02:48 PM | #53 | |
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My latest letter to reps in CA
I also sent it to my reps in Washington with a few changes
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March 3, 2013, 03:15 PM | #54 |
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Form letters just got me form letter responses making it obvious my letter was not read.
So i sent another and much more simple letter. "If you vote for gun control, I will vote you out." Period. I think they might actually read that one and it is nothing but truth. |
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When a controversial piece of legislation is up for consideration, politicians look for numbers. It works like this: HR 64265 is up for a vote. Senator Gribley wants to know what his constituents think, so he instructs his staff to count the number of letters he gets in support of it vs. how many he gets opposing it. He may not respond, but he'll notice when he's got a smattering of letters in support and hundreds (or thousands) in opposition. He's going to take this into account when passing his vote. Unless you live in a small town of 600 people, chances are Gribley (and his staff) simply doesn't have the time to respond. That doesn't mean we're not getting through.
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March 3, 2013, 08:50 PM | #56 |
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I too have a tendency to try to use logic and facts to back up my position when writing to my representatives. I have come to the realization that a simple “I am against” or “I support” any particular legislation should suffice.
Most of these folks don’t actually read our letters nor should we be concerned with changing their personal opinion. They work for us and quite frankly they have no right to consider their personal take on any particular bill as anything more than 1 yea or nay just like the rest of us. Their job is to listen to their constituents and vote according to the yea or nay tally of those constituents whether that representative agrees with the constituents or not. We should be writing our reps letters to remind them of that fact! I have but of course there is no form letter for that and I have yet to get a response.
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March 3, 2013, 11:55 PM | #57 |
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Tom Servo:
What you noted in your post is exactly on point, which is why I have been nagging people for years regarding the need, the importance of making yourself heard, as with that squeaking hinge is the one that gets oiled. The opinion that wasn't voiced is the one that isn't considered. There is absolutely no excuse these days for not being heard, receiving a response is another story, your comments on that aspect are most likely on point. Elected things often have local offices as well as offices in the state or national capitol. As I've mentioned before, 1-866-220-0044 rings at Capitol Switchboard. The ladies who answer, most often it's a lady who answers, will connect callers with any congressional of senate office requested. Once there, you might speak with a staffer, or you might speak with an answering machine. Tallies are made however, and as the old saying goes, the really dumb question often turns out to be the one not asked. People, make yourselves heard. The rights your voice defends are yours, and if you will not act in their defense, can you reasonably expect anyone else to so do? |
March 13, 2013, 03:37 PM | #58 |
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Just did it again. The format changed on the NRA sight a bit but here is the link..........
http://www.nraila.org/get-involved-l...your-reps.aspx With Kind Regards, Vermonter |
March 13, 2013, 08:36 PM | #59 |
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Thanks for the link Vermonter . I deleted there message and put my own in .
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March 14, 2013, 12:47 PM | #60 |
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I know broken reccord but if every member here would take 30 seconds and do this it would make a dent and an impact.
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March 14, 2013, 07:25 PM | #61 |
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Understand from what I heard on news broadcasts that today, a senate committee approved, on a party line vote, S. 150. Earlier, same committed had approved ""expanded background checks"".
I would not presume to speak for others, especially those I do not personally know, but for me, committee action is less than acceptable. I therefore respectfully suggest to readers/listeners here the following. Senate offices should disappear beneath the weight of phone calls, faxes, emails and "smoke signals" expressing unending opposition to this committee action, to demands that when and if the things come to an actual floor vote, that senators vote in opposition. No other action is acceptable. No negotiations, no deals, nothing other than negative votes will suffice. |
March 15, 2013, 10:38 AM | #62 | |
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TTT Again
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Actually here is exactly what I just wrote If our voice hasn't been heard by now it isn't because we aren't speaking loudly or clearly enough it is because you are not listning. We the people do not want further Gun laws or resctictions we want further restrictions and punishments on MURDER. Stop making these people famous and start punishing them with the death penalty quickly. Taking away our ability to defend ourselves does nothing to limit the criminal use of firearms. The very definition of a criminal is someone who acts without regard for the Law. So please explain to me how more laws will have an impact on criminal behavior. |
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March 15, 2013, 05:58 PM | #63 |
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What does TTT mean? Take the time? Talk to Them?
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March 15, 2013, 06:53 PM | #64 |
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I'm not sure if it works the same way in all states but if the senator is not my senator . I'm unable to email them . This really bugs me . There vote will impact everyone in CA but if I'm not there constituent there web page will not except my email and tells me to contact my rep . This would be no big deal if there vote only impacted there district but it doesn't . Does anybody have a quick way around this glitch ? I would like to email everybody that has a vote .
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March 16, 2013, 10:57 AM | #65 |
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My understanding of S 150, possibly incorrect is that at present, it contains the following interesting exemption to the ban on "assault weapons", so-called in Senator Feinstein's proposal. Retired Police Officers would be exempted from the ban on firearms, I assume regarding the proposed limits on magazine capacity too.
Re this bit, I wonder as to what possible justification it might have, other than to perhaps obtain ''political cover" from one or another of the several police organizations one now and then hears of or from on the subject of gun control, lately gun safety, how come the change in terminology being another point of curiosity. Additionally, in what one might refer to as a "discussion" between Senators Cruz of Texas, and Feinstein of California, the gentle lady seems to have bristled when Senator Cruz questioned her regarding the possibility of other restrictions on constitutional rights. He mentioned the possibility of Freedom Of Speech being limited with respect to opinions and or individuals who for some reason or other had fallen under executive or congressional "dislike". He also questioned the possibility of Fourth Amendment guarantees being limited in cases where the persons or papers of "unpopular" persons might be laid open to search and seizure, absent proper warrants. From what I read of this discussion/argument in my local paper, The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, I believe that I have the sense, if not the exact wording of Senator Cruz's questions, which as above mentioned, caused Senator Feinstein to bristle. I believe she later apologized to Cruz. It strikes me however that "the lady doth to much protest her innocence", given the history of her firearms related proposals and comments, proposals and comments that go back quite a while. Strikes me that the above points are worth raising in such communications readers might have with their own elected officials. Last edited by Evan Thomas; March 16, 2013 at 11:37 AM. Reason: invective. |
March 16, 2013, 11:39 AM | #66 |
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Senior Member Join Date: April 10, 2012 Location: San Diego CA Posts: 852 I'm not sure if it works the same way in all states but if the senator is not my senator . I'm unable to email them . This really bugs me . There vote will impact everyone in CA but if I'm not there constituent there web page will not except my email and tells me to contact my rep . This would be no big deal if there vote only impacted there district but it doesn't . Does anybody have a quick way around this glitch ? I would like to email everybody that has a vote . __________________ When I got out of bed this morning I pulled my groin I Liked it so much I pulled it again !! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- With members of the House of Representatives and or U.S. Senate, that has not been my experience. If however, there web site should reject your comment, try the following toll free number. 1-866-220-0044. It rings at Capitol Switchboard, and callers are connected with whichever congressional or senate office they ask for. Sometimes you will get a human being, staffers are perhaps such things, sometimes you can only leave a brief message, try writing out what you have to say beforehand. The small effort could well prove worthwhile, who knows. |
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Vermonter:
Re your closing, "So please explain to me how more laws will have an impact on criminal behavior.", strikes me as a most valid, pointed question. Good luck obtaining any sort of sentient answer, which precludes the usual ""boiler plate, canned responses"" that issue forth from congressional/senatorial offices. In closing, may I offer the following suggestion: Re waiting for "replies", Don't hold your breath, unless blue is one of your better colors. |
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Alen thanks for the # . I how ever was talking about my state senators . If there not your rep they bounce your email .
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Seems I misunderstood. Sorry. Alan |
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Here is a link for the Govoner of Colorado who is said to be tallying votes on a mag limit there. Why don't we all write him and tell him what we think? http://www.colorado.gov/govhdir/requ...inion-leg.html |
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Vermonter:
I doubt that out-of-state calls, emails, smoke signals would much influence Colorado's governor. His vote counting in Colorado could well be another thing. I therefore hope that gunnies in Colorado take the small amount of time and effort to express their thoughts to the governor. Of course, one thing that might well stand in the way of such necessary activity, is human nature, otherwise known as APATHY. |
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Hopefully he saw it hopefully he considered it. Regards, Vermonter |
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Vermonter:
If the radio news bradcast I heard got it right, the Governor of Colorado sighed this bill. Interestingly, I also understand that a number of Colorado sheriffs have stated that they will not enforce the law. In whose court might the ball be now? |
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I got a letter from the white house
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