pistol grip on shotgun - Page 2

ron73644 · May 7, 2006, 11:37 AM

Pardon me for expressing this opinion, but I think the PG thing is just a "young man thing". You feel it looks "cool", and you have seen all these "rigged up" shotguns in the movies, and on T.V. As Dave said, it is a "newbie" thing. It actually has nothing to do with efficiency.

silicon wolverine · May 7, 2006, 12:47 PM

I guess ill throw a little gas on the fire too. It all depends on purpose. If you live in a dinky aprtment with 30" wide hallways and 8' square rooms, you DO NOT have room to swing a full stock scattergun and make your shot in a HD situation. I bought a remington 870 Marine magnum specifiaclly to PG and use for HD. Yes it kicks like a mule. yes its not easy to shoot bullseyes with. But then again it someone was in your house would you want to contend with a stock banging into door ways and misc corners when you could hold it in fornt of you at low ready and move normally? I dont. Oh BTW adding a PG on the foreend as well makes it MUCH more manageable. You have two arms to absorb recoil and a more positive grip on the weapon. yes noobs buy PGs cause they look cool. thats thier gig. I have them because they work. Im not saying there is no place for a standard stock on a scattergun but in some cases PGs are just better.

SW

DPris · May 7, 2006, 12:56 PM

My experience (in a LOT of hallways & small rooms), is that you very certainly CAN maneuver a full-stocked shotgun. There are techniques for doing it.
If you feel you really can't handle a 20-inch shotgun with full stock, you'd be much better off with a collapsible to shorten it slightly, but still provide the shoulder use.

Denis

ron73644 · May 7, 2006, 01:02 PM

You can shorten your shotgun by buying an 18 1/2" bbl.

Edward429451 · May 7, 2006, 01:31 PM

I've owned a couple PG shotguns (not pg only) and currantly have a non PG stock SG.

This is my take after shooting all of them in every way imaginable.

PG only sucks and is prolly a young man thing. A PG on a full stock does nothing to detract from efficient use as long as that full (or folding but extended) stock is sucked up tight against your shoulder. A pg on a full stock doesn't really add any extra efficiency either, at least to me.

Conventional stocked SG's have it all in efficiency with none of the hollyweird pizzazz. A short/youth size stock coupled with a short HD barrel is pretty darn compact and kept at low ready doesn't present any unusual limitations in maneuvering inside a house. Yet you can then don a winter coat and a long barrel to go hunting in. Youth sized stocks are great for when you'll be dressed thick.

GlocksRfun · May 7, 2006, 03:43 PM

Dave,

I think of the close to 1,000 times I've shot my shotgun with pistol grips, I only shoot from the hip when I'm doing some crazy shooting that I am not gonna get into. The magority of the time I shoot it like it would be shot if it had a stock, except I hold it away from my face. I look down the barrel. So, you think a pg'd shotgun can only be fired from the hip? so, you challenge people that shoot at the hip against you shooting normal? lol... Kinda like a midget boxing Mike Tyson. Everyone makes it sound like the recoil is outta control. I can shoot it 1 handed with the pistol grip. The gun is long enough and heavy enough. Granted my hand starts to hurt after a few dozen shots.. haven't shot it since I put the hogue grip on.

ron73644 · May 7, 2006, 03:53 PM

I'm sure Dave would be glad to challenge you anyway you want to hold it.

miscusi · May 7, 2006, 04:54 PM

dave even said he'll drive two hours to go to the challenge !

DPris · May 7, 2006, 05:02 PM

It can be fired with a PG, no question. It cannot be fired as accurately or as rapidly. If neither of those are a criterion, have at it.

I don't think anybody said it can only be fired from the hip.
Cut the stock off on a leveraction rifle. Can you shoot it from the hip? Yes. Can you hold it up in front of your eyes well enough to hit anything at 25 yards? Maybe. Can you operate it rapidly against multiple targets? No. Can you "make" it mostly work? Yes. Will it run as accurate or as quick as a stocked rifle? No.
Why bother to handicap yourself?
Still, your choice.

Denis

ron73644 · May 7, 2006, 05:02 PM

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dave even said he'll drive two hours to go to the challenge !

You can count on it.

SpookBoy · May 7, 2006, 05:12 PM

I used to own a win.1300 defender ,had standard stock and front & rear pg's.Not all that hard with both attached ...Guess its a different generation thing.

delzo · May 7, 2006, 06:28 PM

>>>The magority of the time I shoot it like it would be shot if it had a stock, except I hold it away from my face. I look down the barrel.<<<

You are one tough dude GlocksRfun! I personally know a guy that tried to hold a PG 12 ga up, so he could sight down the tube, and ended up retiring because of the multiple surgeries to put his jaw back together. I was always scared to try it and gave my Pachmayr pistol grip away to a member of this forum! (hey John, don't try to use it!)

Do you work in the stock-yards choking cows?

ron73644 · May 7, 2006, 06:34 PM

I think he's just macho.

Dave McC · May 7, 2006, 08:47 PM

A couple things....

If anyone wants to just play with a PGO, that's OK with me. Trouble is, one can have fun with a standard stocked shotgun and get better with it as you have fun.

With a PGO, there isn't much better to get. And I have hundreds if not thousands of rounds fired with folded folding stocks behind me. I doubt any of the PGO fans here have done anything near that.

While one can achieve some level of accuracy through training with a PGO, the same time, effort and ammo would turn most of us deadly if we devoted them to work with a standard shotgun.

Proficiency with a standard shotgun is simple to acquire, though not easy. Get a shotgun that fits, learn the rudiments of good form, and use the lightest loads you can find to shoot with. Next, go shoot. Shoot clays, silohuettes, starlings, landfill rats, steel plates and tin cans. Work on smooth, speed and accuracy will show up as you go.....

Charles S · May 7, 2006, 09:07 PM

Quote:

Work on smooth, speed and accuracy will show up as you go.....

Learn from that statement. That is the truth with any firearm rifle, pistol and shotgun.

Charles

GlocksRfun · May 7, 2006, 09:36 PM

lol, yeah. well put DPris.. It's about the fun factor. I plan on never having to shoot a person. I never got into hunting. I shoot for fun. It's relaxing to me. When my old gateway computer died, I hit it every time with the double PG, and I loved every second of it. I haven't ever competed shooting.... for real anyways. So, we can at least give it a positive for adding fun to plinking, yes? In compition against a normally stocked shotgun, the PG will fail every time. that's fine and makes sense. For hunting, not the greatest idea, unless u wanna add some difficulty, or maybe the anti hunters would like that to give the duck more of a chance

.

My problem with all this is that I read posts that people imply that u are stupid for doing it cause it makes the gun totally inaccurate. That is the untrue part... not as accurate as a stocked gun under rapid fire and/or long ranges, but at close range, less than 50 feet... depending on skill, is an easily hit target. Thus, people wanting it in self defense close range is in the green area. As far as holding a shotgun in confined spaces...

Shooting around a tree when I'm hidden behind it is a lot easier when I have one hand on each pistol grip and swing it around.. kinda sorta.. My Shot gun etiquit? isn't the greatest when I'm up on a friends land.

My final point would be something along the lines of..... If you aren't worried about proper gun etiquat?.. in time of disaster, the PG'd is more nimble and manuverable than a stocked shotgun. Not totally unsafely out of control shooting, I mean cutting angles of muzzle to body and shooting with the gun pushed back so the end of the 18 1/2 barrel is maybe only a couple inches advanced forward from body. As long as the gun doesn't blow up and u stay clear of the powder flying out, the bullet isn't gonna hit you. That would be where the tactical advantage comes in..... A person trained in this field is most likely trained properly and safely to not be stupid enough to shoot like that...

rant complete, for now.

PS, sorry the thread got hijacked

ron73644 · May 7, 2006, 11:20 PM

Sun Tzu · May 8, 2006, 01:21 AM

Bros,

I own 2 Shot guns. An M1 Benneli 12ga w/a stock & PG. And a Winchester speedpump 20ga w/only PG.

I am a paraplegic. So the Speedpump is very useful for carry in my manual wheelchair. W/an 18inch barrel and only a PG its less than 30 inches overall. So it does not interfere w/my chairs tires as I push. I just lay it across my lap. Or I use a carry sling I fashioned myself.

Obviously, any weapon w/a stock, PG or not, will be more accurate at any real distance. Beyond 7 yards in my mind. Honestly, I'd be alot closer.

I have trained hard to control my weapon. I feel confident I can place my 7rounds where I want comfortably. Every weapon should serve a distinct purpose. This is especially true when YOU are disabled. I only own weapons that I can control, clean, use and rely on w/confidence. My Glock 9mm and my speed pump 20ga are all I need to defend the inside of my castle!

Late, S Tzu

GrowLLLTigeRRR · May 9, 2006, 02:09 AM

I have a Mossberg 12 gauge with a pg at my bedside. It is very handy that way. It ALSO has a top folding stock. I would much rather use it with the stock unfolded and against my shoulder but I have the option of either.

rhinov · May 9, 2006, 04:24 AM

Somebody a few posts back said that I would have to cut the stock off to put a pistol grip on this gun. Is there no other way. Out of all the shotgun accesories out there on the web,is there not a pistol grip that would fit this gun anywhere. I also knew all the views people have on pistol grips. I have been shooting for years. I hoped that this thread would not turn into won of these pg's are good/no pg's are bad threads. I just wanted help finding a pistol grip for my shotgun.

LSU12ga · May 9, 2006, 09:19 AM

rhinov

yeah, sorry we thread jacked this.

i think somone mentioned show since its a sxs, the stock does not come off. is this the case? with all the 870's, 500s, and 1300s, the stock just screws on anf off.

so people are tplling you to cut the stock and fashion it to a pistol grip shape.

DPris · May 9, 2006, 11:37 AM

I am not aware of anybody who makes a pistolgrip for a side by side. There's just not much market.
Doubles are not typically used for defensive purposes (some do, I know), and a pistolgrip removes any practicality for hunting or sporting purposes.
Denis

rugerdude · May 9, 2006, 04:19 PM

Aye, sorry 'bout the thread drift.

Yes, because of the extremely limited market for PG's on SxS's there are none being made that I know of, and even if they were being made, there's no guarantee that they would fit your gun.

Sorry, but unless you want to cut the stock off, you're outta luck.

Shawn Dodson · May 10, 2006, 10:40 AM

Shooting targets on the range is one thing.

Shooting at a bad guy(s) who might be as equally determined, or more, to shoot you, is another.

May 7, 2006, 09:36 PM	#41
GlocksRfun Senior Member Join Date: January 30, 2006 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 423	lol, yeah. well put DPris.. It's about the fun factor. I plan on never having to shoot a person. I never got into hunting. I shoot for fun. It's relaxing to me. When my old gateway computer died, I hit it every time with the double PG, and I loved every second of it. I haven't ever competed shooting.... for real anyways. So, we can at least give it a positive for adding fun to plinking, yes? In compition against a normally stocked shotgun, the PG will fail every time. that's fine and makes sense. For hunting, not the greatest idea, unless u wanna add some difficulty, or maybe the anti hunters would like that to give the duck more of a chance. My problem with all this is that I read posts that people imply that u are stupid for doing it cause it makes the gun totally inaccurate. That is the untrue part... not as accurate as a stocked gun under rapid fire and/or long ranges, but at close range, less than 50 feet... depending on skill, is an easily hit target. Thus, people wanting it in self defense close range is in the green area. As far as holding a shotgun in confined spaces... Shooting around a tree when I'm hidden behind it is a lot easier when I have one hand on each pistol grip and swing it around.. kinda sorta.. My Shot gun etiquit? isn't the greatest when I'm up on a friends land. My final point would be something along the lines of..... If you aren't worried about proper gun etiquat?.. in time of disaster, the PG'd is more nimble and manuverable than a stocked shotgun. Not totally unsafely out of control shooting, I mean cutting angles of muzzle to body and shooting with the gun pushed back so the end of the 18 1/2 barrel is maybe only a couple inches advanced forward from body. As long as the gun doesn't blow up and u stay clear of the powder flying out, the bullet isn't gonna hit you. That would be where the tactical advantage comes in..... A person trained in this field is most likely trained properly and safely to not be stupid enough to shoot like that... rant complete, for now. PS, sorry the thread got hijacked

May 8, 2006, 01:21 AM	#43
Sun Tzu Member Join Date: January 11, 2006 Location: The Golden State Posts: 88	PG useful for certain situations Bros, I own 2 Shot guns. An M1 Benneli 12ga w/a stock & PG. And a Winchester speedpump 20ga w/only PG. I am a paraplegic. So the Speedpump is very useful for carry in my manual wheelchair. W/an 18inch barrel and only a PG its less than 30 inches overall. So it does not interfere w/my chairs tires as I push. I just lay it across my lap. Or I use a carry sling I fashioned myself. Obviously, any weapon w/a stock, PG or not, will be more accurate at any real distance. Beyond 7 yards in my mind. Honestly, I'd be alot closer. I have trained hard to control my weapon. I feel confident I can place my 7rounds where I want comfortably. Every weapon should serve a distinct purpose. This is especially true when YOU are disabled. I only own weapons that I can control, clean, use and rely on w/confidence. My Glock 9mm and my speed pump 20ga are all I need to defend the inside of my castle! Late, S Tzu

May 9, 2006, 04:19 PM	#48
rugerdude Senior Member Join Date: July 6, 2004 Location: Tulsa, Oklahoma Posts: 1,443	Aye, sorry 'bout the thread drift. Yes, because of the extremely limited market for PG's on SxS's there are none being made that I know of, and even if they were being made, there's no guarantee that they would fit your gun. Sorry, but unless you want to cut the stock off, you're outta luck. __________________ "The SKS is a rifle, made the way they should be, out of a heavy block of crappy commie steel, set in an inletted semi-reshaped 2x4." Not my quote but I agree completely.

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May 7, 2006, 11:37 AM	#26
ron73644 Senior Member Join Date: November 1, 2005 Posts: 141	Pardon me for expressing this opinion, but I think the PG thing is just a "young man thing". You feel it looks "cool", and you have seen all these "rigged up" shotguns in the movies, and on T.V. As Dave said, it is a "newbie" thing. It actually has nothing to do with efficiency.

May 7, 2006, 12:47 PM	#27
silicon wolverine Senior Member Join Date: April 28, 2006 Location: South dakota Posts: 674	I guess ill throw a little gas on the fire too. It all depends on purpose. If you live in a dinky aprtment with 30" wide hallways and 8' square rooms, you DO NOT have room to swing a full stock scattergun and make your shot in a HD situation. I bought a remington 870 Marine magnum specifiaclly to PG and use for HD. Yes it kicks like a mule. yes its not easy to shoot bullseyes with. But then again it someone was in your house would you want to contend with a stock banging into door ways and misc corners when you could hold it in fornt of you at low ready and move normally? I dont. Oh BTW adding a PG on the foreend as well makes it MUCH more manageable. You have two arms to absorb recoil and a more positive grip on the weapon. yes noobs buy PGs cause they look cool. thats thier gig. I have them because they work. Im not saying there is no place for a standard stock on a scattergun but in some cases PGs are just better. SW

May 7, 2006, 12:56 PM	#28
DPris Member Emeritus Join Date: August 19, 2004 Posts: 7,133	My experience (in a LOT of hallways & small rooms), is that you very certainly CAN maneuver a full-stocked shotgun. There are techniques for doing it. If you feel you really can't handle a 20-inch shotgun with full stock, you'd be much better off with a collapsible to shorten it slightly, but still provide the shoulder use. Denis

May 7, 2006, 01:02 PM	#29
ron73644 Senior Member Join Date: November 1, 2005 Posts: 141	You can shorten your shotgun by buying an 18 1/2" bbl.

May 7, 2006, 01:31 PM	#30
Edward429451 Junior member Join Date: November 12, 2000 Location: Colorado Springs, Colorado Posts: 9,494	I've owned a couple PG shotguns (not pg only) and currantly have a non PG stock SG. This is my take after shooting all of them in every way imaginable. PG only sucks and is prolly a young man thing. A PG on a full stock does nothing to detract from efficient use as long as that full (or folding but extended) stock is sucked up tight against your shoulder. A pg on a full stock doesn't really add any extra efficiency either, at least to me. Conventional stocked SG's have it all in efficiency with none of the hollyweird pizzazz. A short/youth size stock coupled with a short HD barrel is pretty darn compact and kept at low ready doesn't present any unusual limitations in maneuvering inside a house. Yet you can then don a winter coat and a long barrel to go hunting in. Youth sized stocks are great for when you'll be dressed thick.

May 7, 2006, 03:43 PM	#31
GlocksRfun Senior Member Join Date: January 30, 2006 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 423	Dave, I think of the close to 1,000 times I've shot my shotgun with pistol grips, I only shoot from the hip when I'm doing some crazy shooting that I am not gonna get into. The magority of the time I shoot it like it would be shot if it had a stock, except I hold it away from my face. I look down the barrel. So, you think a pg'd shotgun can only be fired from the hip? so, you challenge people that shoot at the hip against you shooting normal? lol... Kinda like a midget boxing Mike Tyson. Everyone makes it sound like the recoil is outta control. I can shoot it 1 handed with the pistol grip. The gun is long enough and heavy enough. Granted my hand starts to hurt after a few dozen shots.. haven't shot it since I put the hogue grip on.

May 7, 2006, 03:53 PM	#32
ron73644 Senior Member Join Date: November 1, 2005 Posts: 141	I'm sure Dave would be glad to challenge you anyway you want to hold it.

May 7, 2006, 04:54 PM	#33
miscusi Junior member Join Date: April 2, 2006 Location: New York City Posts: 217	dave even said he'll drive two hours to go to the challenge !

May 7, 2006, 05:02 PM	#34
DPris Member Emeritus Join Date: August 19, 2004 Posts: 7,133	It can be fired with a PG, no question. It cannot be fired as accurately or as rapidly. If neither of those are a criterion, have at it. I don't think anybody said it can only be fired from the hip. Cut the stock off on a leveraction rifle. Can you shoot it from the hip? Yes. Can you hold it up in front of your eyes well enough to hit anything at 25 yards? Maybe. Can you operate it rapidly against multiple targets? No. Can you "make" it mostly work? Yes. Will it run as accurate or as quick as a stocked rifle? No. Why bother to handicap yourself? Still, your choice. Denis

May 7, 2006, 05:12 PM	#36
SpookBoy Senior Member Join Date: January 29, 2006 Location: mid tennessee Posts: 430	I used to own a win.1300 defender ,had standard stock and front & rear pg's.Not all that hard with both attached ...Guess its a different generation thing.

May 7, 2006, 06:28 PM	#37
delzo Senior Member Join Date: March 30, 2005 Location: Knee deep in Galveston Bay Posts: 144	>>>The magority of the time I shoot it like it would be shot if it had a stock, except I hold it away from my face. I look down the barrel.<<< You are one tough dude GlocksRfun! I personally know a guy that tried to hold a PG 12 ga up, so he could sight down the tube, and ended up retiring because of the multiple surgeries to put his jaw back together. I was always scared to try it and gave my Pachmayr pistol grip away to a member of this forum! (hey John, don't try to use it!) Do you work in the stock-yards choking cows?

May 7, 2006, 06:34 PM	#38
ron73644 Senior Member Join Date: November 1, 2005 Posts: 141	I think he's just macho.

May 7, 2006, 08:47 PM	#39
Dave McC Staff In Memoriam Join Date: October 13, 1999 Location: Columbia, Md, USA Posts: 8,811	A couple things.... If anyone wants to just play with a PGO, that's OK with me. Trouble is, one can have fun with a standard stocked shotgun and get better with it as you have fun. With a PGO, there isn't much better to get. And I have hundreds if not thousands of rounds fired with folded folding stocks behind me. I doubt any of the PGO fans here have done anything near that. While one can achieve some level of accuracy through training with a PGO, the same time, effort and ammo would turn most of us deadly if we devoted them to work with a standard shotgun. Proficiency with a standard shotgun is simple to acquire, though not easy. Get a shotgun that fits, learn the rudiments of good form, and use the lightest loads you can find to shoot with. Next, go shoot. Shoot clays, silohuettes, starlings, landfill rats, steel plates and tin cans. Work on smooth, speed and accuracy will show up as you go.....

May 7, 2006, 11:20 PM	#42
ron73644 Senior Member Join Date: November 1, 2005 Posts: 141

May 9, 2006, 02:09 AM	#44
GrowLLLTigeRRR Member Join Date: April 28, 2006 Posts: 21	I have a Mossberg 12 gauge with a pg at my bedside. It is very handy that way. It ALSO has a top folding stock. I would much rather use it with the stock unfolded and against my shoulder but I have the option of either.

May 9, 2006, 04:24 AM	#45
rhinov Member Join Date: July 2, 2005 Location: Chapmanville WV Posts: 21	Somebody a few posts back said that I would have to cut the stock off to put a pistol grip on this gun. Is there no other way. Out of all the shotgun accesories out there on the web,is there not a pistol grip that would fit this gun anywhere. I also knew all the views people have on pistol grips. I have been shooting for years. I hoped that this thread would not turn into won of these pg's are good/no pg's are bad threads. I just wanted help finding a pistol grip for my shotgun.

May 9, 2006, 09:19 AM	#46
LSU12ga Senior Member Join Date: April 13, 2006 Posts: 407	rhinov yeah, sorry we thread jacked this. i think somone mentioned show since its a sxs, the stock does not come off. is this the case? with all the 870's, 500s, and 1300s, the stock just screws on anf off. so people are tplling you to cut the stock and fashion it to a pistol grip shape.

May 9, 2006, 11:37 AM	#47
DPris Member Emeritus Join Date: August 19, 2004 Posts: 7,133	I am not aware of anybody who makes a pistolgrip for a side by side. There's just not much market. Doubles are not typically used for defensive purposes (some do, I know), and a pistolgrip removes any practicality for hunting or sporting purposes. Denis

May 10, 2006, 10:40 AM	#49
Shawn Dodson Junior member Join Date: December 16, 1998 Location: Titusville, FL, USA Posts: 1,030	Shooting targets on the range is one thing. Shooting at a bad guy(s) who might be as equally determined, or more, to shoot you, is another.