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September 17, 2011, 10:34 AM | #26 |
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I don't know whether the new law is redundant and won't until it's available to read. While it is true that killing of a grizzly in self defense has been justified the problem was with the burden of proof. Guilty until proven innocent.
I listened to the story of the attack I mentioned from everybody involved and they felt fortunate that they had taken photos of the blood and wounds for later use in court or they would have been charged. |
September 17, 2011, 12:08 PM | #27 |
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Thanks Art, you are right, it is the unwritten law of hunters to kill a bear that you have wounded so that it won't injure someone else. With bears, you usually weight for a bit before going after them hoping that the initial wound caused enough bleeding to either kill the bear or weaken him enough to diminish the danger. That's a pretty common technique even deer hunting. Not sure what all of the details are, but simply a tragic event as you said pretty much outside of the intents of the Federal regulation changes to the ESA.
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September 17, 2011, 03:30 PM | #28 | |
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More questions surround Montana fatal grizzly encounter:
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September 17, 2011, 06:34 PM | #29 | |
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September 17, 2011, 08:43 PM | #30 |
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The pertinent point from Post #1 is "...defending his family from three large grizzlies in his yard."
Hunting incidents and problems are off-topic. Forget those anecdotes and comments, or see the thread end. |
September 17, 2011, 10:50 PM | #31 | |
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Returning to the topic of self defense, is it possible for a mistaken identity of a grizzly that then ended in an attack when tracking the wounded bear an instance of self defense?
Most mistaken identity cases are eventually forgiven. This case did end up a self defense shooting even though the first shot was in error. I will be interested to see how the state and Feds rule in this case since all of the shots into this bear in the second encounter were actually defensive shots. I am quite interested in what caliber rifles that they used in this hunt. Obviously, the grizzly took several hits before it went down. that just highlights how dangerous these bears really are and how luck Jeremy Hill was to be able to kill it with a .243. Quote:
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September 18, 2011, 05:01 PM | #32 | |
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September 19, 2011, 12:14 AM | #33 |
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The father of the man that shot the grizzly bear speaks out about the incident. It does appear to be a tragic accident and bear that might of turned the table by playing dead on the hunters.
http://www.kxly.com/news/29225688/detail.html Still waiting to see how the state and Feds look at this case. With the father and son coming from the same area as the last grizzly incident, Boundary county residence are already fed up with the Feds. Not sure if this will help the new legislative effort or not, but I am sure that folks in Bonners Ferry have had enough of grizzlies this summer. |
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September 19, 2011, 09:15 AM | #35 |
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One could argue that anybody who gets mauled or killed by a grizzzly made a mistake. The young man made a mistake. It happens , except on forums of course.
The question is whether or not the authorities automatically assume that the intent was to poach the bear. Seems to me the burden of proof should be on the prosecution. |
September 19, 2011, 09:18 AM | #36 |
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I was hoping this thread would stay with the issues of self-defense in a non-hunting situation, which seems to be the context of the law.
So much for that idea... |
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