New M1 Carbines - Page 2

Pilot · June 5, 2015, 04:41 AM

You can still get GI carbines, especially those with import marks for $700-$800, but it is nice to have a choice.

bamaranger · June 6, 2015, 11:34 PM

Early carbines had the push button safety. The wing safety came along later due to the very reason stated in the earlier post..... users dropping the mag instead of releasing the safety.

Sights were different, and early carbines had no bayonet lug either.

Not a carbine buff, lots of guys know more, but I think they are nifty little rifles.

Should have bought an import when they were cheap and plentiful.

Chris_B · June 9, 2015, 08:37 PM

heck I bought a USGI Inland five years ago for 750 bucks, non-import. It's a special one too, it has all the evilness but was lawfully here before the ban.

salvadore · July 2, 2015, 11:56 PM

I've been wanting to take my reimported Inland carbine to the range since this post started and finally made it today. Shot 6 groups with 5 different loads @ 50 yrs. All groups were 5 shots and each one had a flyer. Since I tend to fatigue easily these days, I'll take credit for the flyers. Each group put 4 shots into an inch or so with PMCs 3/4". My reloads and all the factory stuff shot to the same poi except the steel cased russian stuff shot 2.5" high and to the left. One of the loads had a 61 headstamp along with a 60A, or a A60, too lazy to go look but the rounds were maybe 54 years old. Anyway, I know 1" groups don't necessarily translate into 2" groups @100yrs, but I think this will become my new truck gun.

COSteve · July 5, 2015, 08:06 AM

I bought a 1943 National Postal Meter, high wood, Rock River Arsenal rebuild carbine in pristine shape some 40+ yrs ago that's too valuable to shoot. I looked for years to find a decent GI shooter but I couldn't find anything reasonably priced that wasn't a beat to heck, worn out, sloppy shooter or one in decent codition that was priced way too high to use as a shooter.

So I finally broke down and got a NIB Auto Ordnance M1 Carbine as a shooter back in 2012 figuring that I'd give it a try. I replaced the flip rear sight with a Type II adjustable as this carbine as I like it better. I was surprised to find that it's considerably more accurate than my NPM with it's original Marlin, 1 gauge muzzle. Mind you the NPM is well within GI specs as it shoots 'minute of coffee cup' at 100yds with GI surplus ammo all day long.

The AO is a ton of fun to shoot and I don't have to worry about wearing out or breaking a real piece of history that will be passed on to my son when I'm gone. It functions well when lubed, just like my NPM, feeds the Korean GI mags like a champ, and as I said, is much more accurate. A younger CMP shooter at our range with great eyes and using my 30 Carbine handloads put together a 2", 100yd group with it which for a M1 Carbine, is great shooting.

The guys at the range can't tell the difference between my GI and AO carbines except that my AO shoots better. As they come with a M-2 type mag release with the extra 'tail' to hold the 30rd mags in place, they shoot 30rd Korean mags as reliably as they shoot the 15 rd. I'm sold on it and as it cost about $600 back in 2012 vs beater GI carbines going for $700-$800 at the time, it's well worth the money.

BoogieMan · July 6, 2015, 06:05 PM

How would quality of build rank among garand manufacturers.
Beretta
springfield
winchester
I know it and hr also made garands. How do they rank and who else made garands?
this may be a bit of a mute point as I usually see hr or springfield and may not have any choice in what I actually end up with. I would take any one of the manufacturers if the price was right.

-sorry this went in the wrong forum- I'm on phone posting and it's less than. Ideal.

COSteve · July 7, 2015, 05:46 PM

[QUOTE]How would quality of build rank among garand manufacturers./QUOTE]I rank them like this:

H&R
Beretta

Springfield

Winchester

While Winchester had the name both their M1 Garands and M1 Carbines were generally poorly finished. Yes, they met spec but not by a ton. Interesting that in spite of their poor finish, they still command a high price simply because of the name.

To be fair, both H&R and Beretta (made from Springfield parts) produced M1 Garands after the war when the pressure to keep up the volume was lower.

1stmar · July 7, 2015, 05:55 PM

Don't forget IH. I haven't held one so can comment on quality.

Ibmikey · July 8, 2015, 05:53 AM

I thought this was a thread on newly manufactured Carbines, how did it get redirected to Garands? I saw an ad for Rockola receivers and it indicated " out of production" Has the new Carbine company given up already or is it advertising hype?

DanTSX · July 8, 2015, 11:29 AM

The market needs an excess of cheap .30 carbine a,mo before these will be successful.

Dfariswheel · July 8, 2015, 08:20 PM

Looks like Rock-Ola is in business.

I'd rather have it then the Inland. The Inland has a cast receiver, the Rock-Ola is machined from billet stock.

http://www.jamesriverarmory.com/prod...1-carbine.html

DanTSX · July 9, 2015, 11:24 PM

Curious about the count of MIM parts that I'd have to replace....

June 5, 2015, 04:41 AM	#26
Pilot Senior Member Join Date: December 21, 2000 Posts: 4,193	You can still get GI carbines, especially those with import marks for $700-$800, but it is nice to have a choice. __________________ Pilot

June 6, 2015, 11:34 PM	#27
bamaranger Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2009 Location: North Alabama Posts: 8,300	push button Early carbines had the push button safety. The wing safety came along later due to the very reason stated in the earlier post..... users dropping the mag instead of releasing the safety. Sights were different, and early carbines had no bayonet lug either. Not a carbine buff, lots of guys know more, but I think they are nifty little rifles. Should have bought an import when they were cheap and plentiful.

July 6, 2015, 06:05 PM	#31
BoogieMan Senior Member Join Date: April 4, 2012 Location: South Jersey Posts: 2,217	How would quality of build rank among garand manufacturers. Beretta springfield winchester I know it and hr also made garands. How do they rank and who else made garands? this may be a bit of a mute point as I usually see hr or springfield and may not have any choice in what I actually end up with. I would take any one of the manufacturers if the price was right. -sorry this went in the wrong forum- I'm on phone posting and it's less than. Ideal. __________________ Concentrated power is not rendered harmless by the good intentions of those who create it. Milton Freidman "If you find yourself in a fair fight,,, Your tactics suck"- Unknown

June 9, 2015, 08:37 PM	#28
Chris_B Senior Member Join Date: February 9, 2007 Posts: 3,101	heck I bought a USGI Inland five years ago for 750 bucks, non-import. It's a special one too, it has all the evilness but was lawfully here before the ban.

July 2, 2015, 11:56 PM	#29
salvadore Junior member Join Date: January 1, 2007 Location: Idaho Posts: 2,282	I've been wanting to take my reimported Inland carbine to the range since this post started and finally made it today. Shot 6 groups with 5 different loads @ 50 yrs. All groups were 5 shots and each one had a flyer. Since I tend to fatigue easily these days, I'll take credit for the flyers. Each group put 4 shots into an inch or so with PMCs 3/4". My reloads and all the factory stuff shot to the same poi except the steel cased russian stuff shot 2.5" high and to the left. One of the loads had a 61 headstamp along with a 60A, or a A60, too lazy to go look but the rounds were maybe 54 years old. Anyway, I know 1" groups don't necessarily translate into 2" groups @100yrs, but I think this will become my new truck gun.

July 5, 2015, 08:06 AM	#30
COSteve Senior Member Join Date: September 6, 2009 Posts: 1,344	I bought a 1943 National Postal Meter, high wood, Rock River Arsenal rebuild carbine in pristine shape some 40+ yrs ago that's too valuable to shoot. I looked for years to find a decent GI shooter but I couldn't find anything reasonably priced that wasn't a beat to heck, worn out, sloppy shooter or one in decent codition that was priced way too high to use as a shooter. So I finally broke down and got a NIB Auto Ordnance M1 Carbine as a shooter back in 2012 figuring that I'd give it a try. I replaced the flip rear sight with a Type II adjustable as this carbine as I like it better. I was surprised to find that it's considerably more accurate than my NPM with it's original Marlin, 1 gauge muzzle. Mind you the NPM is well within GI specs as it shoots 'minute of coffee cup' at 100yds with GI surplus ammo all day long. The AO is a ton of fun to shoot and I don't have to worry about wearing out or breaking a real piece of history that will be passed on to my son when I'm gone. It functions well when lubed, just like my NPM, feeds the Korean GI mags like a champ, and as I said, is much more accurate. A younger CMP shooter at our range with great eyes and using my 30 Carbine handloads put together a 2", 100yd group with it which for a M1 Carbine, is great shooting. The guys at the range can't tell the difference between my GI and AO carbines except that my AO shoots better. As they come with a M-2 type mag release with the extra 'tail' to hold the 30rd mags in place, they shoot 30rd Korean mags as reliably as they shoot the 15 rd. I'm sold on it and as it cost about $600 back in 2012 vs beater GI carbines going for $700-$800 at the time, it's well worth the money.

July 7, 2015, 05:46 PM	#32
COSteve Senior Member Join Date: September 6, 2009 Posts: 1,344	[QUOTE]How would quality of build rank among garand manufacturers./QUOTE]I rank them like this: H&R Beretta Springfield Winchester While Winchester had the name both their M1 Garands and M1 Carbines were generally poorly finished. Yes, they met spec but not by a ton. Interesting that in spite of their poor finish, they still command a high price simply because of the name. To be fair, both H&R and Beretta (made from Springfield parts) produced M1 Garands after the war when the pressure to keep up the volume was lower.

July 7, 2015, 05:55 PM	#33
1stmar Senior Member Join Date: March 21, 2012 Location: Connecticut Posts: 2,378	Don't forget IH. I haven't held one so can comment on quality.

July 8, 2015, 05:53 AM	#34
Ibmikey Senior Member Join Date: June 1, 2013 Location: Now relocated to Texas Posts: 2,943	I thought this was a thread on newly manufactured Carbines, how did it get redirected to Garands? I saw an ad for Rockola receivers and it indicated " out of production" Has the new Carbine company given up already or is it advertising hype?

July 8, 2015, 11:29 AM	#35
DanTSX Senior Member Join Date: October 11, 2008 Posts: 318	The market needs an excess of cheap .30 carbine a,mo before these will be successful.

July 8, 2015, 08:20 PM	#36
Dfariswheel Senior Member Join Date: May 4, 2001 Posts: 7,478	Looks like Rock-Ola is in business. I'd rather have it then the Inland. The Inland has a cast receiver, the Rock-Ola is machined from billet stock. http://www.jamesriverarmory.com/prod...1-carbine.html

July 9, 2015, 11:24 PM	#37
DanTSX Senior Member Join Date: October 11, 2008 Posts: 318	Curious about the count of MIM parts that I'd have to replace....