Oklahoma Advances Open-Carry Firearm Bill

GlockedNLoded32 · March 6, 2012, 10:58 AM

Oklahomas state House panel has approved a bill (House Bill 2522) to allow conceal carry permit holders to openly carry firearms. read more information about the bill on the link below

http://www.nraila.org/legislation/st...committee.aspx

FTG-05 · March 6, 2012, 01:38 PM

Excellent!

thallub · March 6, 2012, 04:33 PM

Problem is the OK legislature wussed out. If this thing is signed into law you will need a concealed carry permit to open carry. They cowtowed to the OK state police who claim the sky will fall if folks are allowed to open carry without a concealed carry permit.

BTW: There is no current OK law that outlaws open carry on ones private property. Been doing it for years.

kinggabby · March 6, 2012, 04:38 PM

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Problem is the OK legislature wussed out. If this thing is signed into law you will need a concealed carry permit to open carry. They cowtowed to the OK state police who claim the sky will fall if folks are allowed to open carry.

If it passes at least it is a start. And hopefully something to build on.

thallub · March 6, 2012, 07:46 PM

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If it passes at least it is a start.

Yeah, but it ain't what our governor and the legislative leadership promised us before the last election.

Standing Wolf · March 6, 2012, 08:38 PM

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Yeah, but it ain't what our governor and the legislative leadership promised us before the last election.

In exactly two words familiar to one and all: fire them.

aarondhgraham · March 8, 2012, 10:46 AM

It would eliminate the arbitrary enforcement of the brandishing laws that are used by some county DA's to discourage legal carry by CWP holders.

Accidental printing or showing of a carry weapon has been prosecuted very unevenly across Oklahoma.

In Payne County the County Sheriff and the Payne County DA are notorious for treating accidental exposure of a carry gun as intentional brandishing.

Passage of this law should stop those tactics in their tracks.

At least I would hope so.

Aarond

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armoredman · March 8, 2012, 01:17 PM

We started with open carry and no concealed carry. In '94 we went to Shall Issue. In 2010 we went to Constitutional Carry. Take it, and keep fighting to improve it.

aarondhgraham · March 15, 2012, 12:28 PM

Apparently I suck at searching for information.

My Google-Fu is not strong.

Aarond

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thallub · March 15, 2012, 07:52 PM

We started with open carry: The concealed carry law killed open carry.

This year the OK legislature passed their watered down version of open carry in order to head off a referendum that would have changed the OK Constitution to allow open carry. The OK legislature passed unrestricted open carry in 2010 knowing the governor, Brad Henry, would veto it.

BTW: OK is the most corrupt place north of the Mexican border. Google up "justice for sale".

aarondhgraham · March 22, 2012, 02:42 PM

In reality I'm just bumping it back up so can locate the thread more easily.

I am trying to keep track of this bill,,,
I really want it to pass.

Again, I'll probably never carry openly,,,
I just want to quit worrying about printing in my county.

Aarond

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aarondhgraham · April 2, 2012, 04:12 PM

Can any of you more legally fluent folk tell me what this means?

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Pending coauthorship Senator(s) Shortey, Sykes, 03/29/2012

This is the latest announcement on the OK legislative website,,,
Just 4 days old so at least it's making some progress.

Man oh man I hope this passes.

Aarond

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wally626 · April 26, 2012, 09:18 PM

Based on the link from the original article it looks like the bill was passed by the House, amended and passed by the Senate. The amended version was rejected by the House and a conference requested. I know nothing about the state level but at the federal level this would mean persons from the house and senate get together to write a compromise bill that is then voted on by the House and Senate. If both pass the bill it goes to the Gov. If not it probably dies

There is a link to the amended bill on the link below. 91 pages, ouch. VA writes much more concise bills. Even the VA concealed carry law with all the caveats related to that sort of law is only a few pages.

http://www.oklegislature.gov/BillInfo.aspx?Bill=Hb2522

aarondhgraham · May 1, 2012, 03:54 PM

Man, being a non-legaleze speaker,,,
It's difficult to track any important info down.

But it looks like the House and Senate must agree to some amendments.

But I am patient,,,
Let's see what my elected state guberment will finally do.

Aarond

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Marion Magee · May 1, 2012, 09:33 PM

The OK House passed SB 1733 last week. The house amended version of SB 1733 is what they originally passed to the Senate as HB 2522 with some of the senate changes. Long story short, The Senate gutted HB 2522 and sent it back to the House ( discussed above about the conference committee ) The House did the same thing and recreated what they originally passed to the Senate. SB 1733 is back in the Senate for approval. If it passes the Senate, off to Gov for signature or veto.

http://www.oklegislature.gov/BillInfo.aspx?Bill=sb1733

kinggabby · May 10, 2012, 12:15 PM

Oklahoma SB1733 passes the Senate 33 - 10 today. On to the Gov's desk now. OC with a permit and OC on private property no permit .

aarondhgraham · May 10, 2012, 12:30 PM

Now we find out if our governor will stand by her campaign promises.

I'm very excited,,,
No more accidental brandishing worries.

Aarond

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thallub · May 10, 2012, 07:27 PM

Yep, the good old OK legislature shafted us again. A few years ago the hypocritical legislature passed unrestricted open, no concealed carry permit required, carry knowing Brad Henry would veto it. The leadership of the OK legislature promised to pass the same bill again with a new governor, Mary Fallin. They lied to us.

This action by the OK legislature was milk sop to appease OKlahomans who want a referendum on open carry.

Eppie · May 11, 2012, 08:14 AM

Continuing this discussion, here a link in today's Houston Chronicle http://www.chron.com/default/article...or-3548697.php

Has anybody considered that carrying a pistol openly is more likely to make you a target to a predator?

I carry concealed everyday, however I'm not about to open carry even if it was allowed. I think about all those newly release convicts that exit the cities bus stations all over the country. If they saw a 58 year old like me openly carrying all they would have to do is find a fist size rock, tuck it in their pocket and follow me to a nearby elevator, parking garage, office building hallway and from behind bash me in the head and pronto he has an untraceable gun and is back in business.

Now we have an experienced/hardned criminal with a weapon on the loose. In my opinion open carry is a bad idea or at least a good thing carried too far.

I'd like to hear what others think?

sundog · May 11, 2012, 08:33 AM

Well, Eppie, based on the scenario you provided, it boils down to situational awareness and common sense. That's what it's all about anyway. Isn't it?

I think what the OK legislature has done is okay. Like others, I'm waiting to see what Governor Fallin will do...

hermannr · May 11, 2012, 12:55 PM

Eppie...OC does not expose you to any more danger than does carrying concealed. That is an uban myth..actually, IMHO, the reality is, OC exposes you to less danger as the criminal that would do you harm is put on notice that you are able to defend yourself.

It has worked that way for me for over 40 years, and the one time someone was aggressively looking to do me harm, (That I know of for sure) when he saw my carry, he left...in a great hurry...and my carry never left it's holster.

aarondhgraham · May 11, 2012, 01:58 PM

and I'll say it again,,,
No more accidental brandishing charges.

This may not seem like too big of a deal to some,,,
But some county DA's in this state are very predatory,,,
They've told their county sheriff's to cite whenever possible.

It's their personal method to discourage carrying.

As soon as Governor Fallin signs it,,,
I'll be a very happy camper,,,
Waiting for November.

Aarond

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aarondhgraham · May 15, 2012, 04:17 PM

I just received an E-mail from the NRA,,,
Governor fallin signed the bill.

I'm a happy camper,,,
Doing my happy dance.

Quote:

Today, Governor Mary Fallin signed into law the Open Carry/Omnibus gun bill, Senate Bill 1733. Senate Bill 1733 is an omnibus firearm bill containing significant improvements to Oklahoma gun laws, including allowing concealed carry permit holders the choice of open carrying.

Other important provisions include language prohibiting persons, property owners and companies from banning ammunition in locked vehicles; changing the “immediate notification” requirement when a permit holder is stopped by a law enforcement officer to notification at “first opportunity” while also greatly reducing the associated fine for non-compliance; a provision allowing people to carry firearms openly without a permit on their private property; and revisions to the current Oklahoma statute striking the word “concealed” from Oklahoma firearm permit citations and applying the lawful open carrying of firearms to Oklahoma's firearms preemption law. Additionally, this legislation will allow Sooner State military personnel stationed outside Oklahoma to obtain an Oklahoma permit. This new law becomes effective November 1, 2012.

Aarond

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kinggabby · May 15, 2012, 05:15 PM

Come Nov 1st it will be time to dance in the streets. Great having a Governor who kept such an important campaign promise.

kinggabby · May 15, 2012, 08:29 PM

Just posted this on Facebook.

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I am sure everyone in Oklahoma knows . Oklahoma just got a big win for legal gun owners. Open carry with a permit goes in effect November 1st. So if you see someone open carrying a firearm please don't be alarmed. It is someone exercising their 2nd amendment rights.

March 6, 2012, 10:58 AM	#1
GlockedNLoded32 Senior Member Join Date: December 15, 2011 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 129	Oklahoma Advances Open-Carry Firearm Bill Oklahomas state House panel has approved a bill (House Bill 2522) to allow conceal carry permit holders to openly carry firearms. read more information about the bill on the link below http://www.nraila.org/legislation/st...committee.aspx __________________ GLOCK 32 .357 SIG With Hogue Grip,Trijicon Ghost Ring Night Sight, 3.5 Ghost trigger, Weatherby Vanguard .308 1:12 twist with Blackhawk Bipod and a Barska 6x24x60 IR SWAT SCOPE. - 168 Hornady AMAX loaded at 46 gr Stoeger M2000 Max 4 SA 12 gauge Last edited by GlockedNLoded32; March 6, 2012 at 11:04 AM.

March 8, 2012, 10:46 AM	#7
aarondhgraham Senior Member Join Date: December 1, 2009 Location: Stillwater, OKlahoma Posts: 8,638	One good thing about this is,,, It would eliminate the arbitrary enforcement of the brandishing laws that are used by some county DA's to discourage legal carry by CWP holders. Accidental printing or showing of a carry weapon has been prosecuted very unevenly across Oklahoma. In Payne County the County Sheriff and the Payne County DA are notorious for treating accidental exposure of a carry gun as intentional brandishing. Passage of this law should stop those tactics in their tracks. At least I would hope so. Aarond . __________________ Never ever give an enemy the advantage of a verbal threat. Caje: The coward dies a thousand times, the brave only once. Kirby: That's about all it takes, ain't it? Aarond is good,,, Aarond is wise,,, Always trust Aarond! (most of the time)

March 15, 2012, 12:28 PM	#9
aarondhgraham Senior Member Join Date: December 1, 2009 Location: Stillwater, OKlahoma Posts: 8,638	Any news on this topic? Apparently I suck at searching for information. My Google-Fu is not strong. Aarond . __________________ Never ever give an enemy the advantage of a verbal threat. Caje: The coward dies a thousand times, the brave only once. Kirby: That's about all it takes, ain't it? Aarond is good,,, Aarond is wise,,, Always trust Aarond! (most of the time)

March 15, 2012, 07:52 PM	#10
thallub Senior Member Join Date: November 20, 2007 Location: South Western OK Posts: 3,112	We started with open carry: The concealed carry law killed open carry. This year the OK legislature passed their watered down version of open carry in order to head off a referendum that would have changed the OK Constitution to allow open carry. The OK legislature passed unrestricted open carry in 2010 knowing the governor, Brad Henry, would veto it. BTW: OK is the most corrupt place north of the Mexican border. Google up "justice for sale". Last edited by thallub; March 15, 2012 at 09:16 PM.

March 22, 2012, 02:42 PM	#11
aarondhgraham Senior Member Join Date: December 1, 2009 Location: Stillwater, OKlahoma Posts: 8,638	I'm anxiously awaiting passage of this bill,,, In reality I'm just bumping it back up so can locate the thread more easily. I am trying to keep track of this bill,,, I really want it to pass. Again, I'll probably never carry openly,,, I just want to quit worrying about printing in my county. Aarond . __________________ Never ever give an enemy the advantage of a verbal threat. Caje: The coward dies a thousand times, the brave only once. Kirby: That's about all it takes, ain't it? Aarond is good,,, Aarond is wise,,, Always trust Aarond! (most of the time)

March 6, 2012, 01:38 PM	#2
FTG-05 Senior Member Join Date: March 18, 1999 Location: TN Posts: 301	Excellent!

March 6, 2012, 04:33 PM	#3
thallub Senior Member Join Date: November 20, 2007 Location: South Western OK Posts: 3,112	Problem is the OK legislature wussed out. If this thing is signed into law you will need a concealed carry permit to open carry. They cowtowed to the OK state police who claim the sky will fall if folks are allowed to open carry without a concealed carry permit. BTW: There is no current OK law that outlaws open carry on ones private property. Been doing it for years.

March 8, 2012, 01:17 PM	#8
armoredman Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 5,295	We started with open carry and no concealed carry. In '94 we went to Shall Issue. In 2010 we went to Constitutional Carry. Take it, and keep fighting to improve it.

April 26, 2012, 09:18 PM	#13
wally626 Senior Member Join Date: July 31, 2009 Posts: 642	Based on the link from the original article it looks like the bill was passed by the House, amended and passed by the Senate. The amended version was rejected by the House and a conference requested. I know nothing about the state level but at the federal level this would mean persons from the house and senate get together to write a compromise bill that is then voted on by the House and Senate. If both pass the bill it goes to the Gov. If not it probably dies There is a link to the amended bill on the link below. 91 pages, ouch. VA writes much more concise bills. Even the VA concealed carry law with all the caveats related to that sort of law is only a few pages. http://www.oklegislature.gov/BillInfo.aspx?Bill=Hb2522

May 1, 2012, 03:54 PM	#14
aarondhgraham Senior Member Join Date: December 1, 2009 Location: Stillwater, OKlahoma Posts: 8,638	I'm all anticipatory,,, Man, being a non-legaleze speaker,,, It's difficult to track any important info down. But it looks like the House and Senate must agree to some amendments. But I am patient,,, Let's see what my elected state guberment will finally do. Aarond . __________________ Never ever give an enemy the advantage of a verbal threat. Caje: The coward dies a thousand times, the brave only once. Kirby: That's about all it takes, ain't it? Aarond is good,,, Aarond is wise,,, Always trust Aarond! (most of the time)

May 1, 2012, 09:33 PM	#15
Marion Magee Junior Member Join Date: May 2, 2011 Posts: 4	The OK House passed SB 1733 last week. The house amended version of SB 1733 is what they originally passed to the Senate as HB 2522 with some of the senate changes. Long story short, The Senate gutted HB 2522 and sent it back to the House ( discussed above about the conference committee ) The House did the same thing and recreated what they originally passed to the Senate. SB 1733 is back in the Senate for approval. If it passes the Senate, off to Gov for signature or veto. http://www.oklegislature.gov/BillInfo.aspx?Bill=sb1733

May 10, 2012, 12:15 PM	#16
kinggabby Senior Member Join Date: March 22, 2011 Location: OKC Posts: 502	Oklahoma SB1733 passes the Senate 33 - 10 today. On to the Gov's desk now. OC with a permit and OC on private property no permit .

May 10, 2012, 12:30 PM	#17
aarondhgraham Senior Member Join Date: December 1, 2009 Location: Stillwater, OKlahoma Posts: 8,638	WooHoo!,,,. Now we find out if our governor will stand by her campaign promises. I'm very excited,,, No more accidental brandishing worries. Aarond . __________________ Never ever give an enemy the advantage of a verbal threat. Caje: The coward dies a thousand times, the brave only once. Kirby: That's about all it takes, ain't it? Aarond is good,,, Aarond is wise,,, Always trust Aarond! (most of the time)

May 10, 2012, 07:27 PM	#18
thallub Senior Member Join Date: November 20, 2007 Location: South Western OK Posts: 3,112	Yep, the good old OK legislature shafted us again. A few years ago the hypocritical legislature passed unrestricted open, no concealed carry permit required, carry knowing Brad Henry would veto it. The leadership of the OK legislature promised to pass the same bill again with a new governor, Mary Fallin. They lied to us. This action by the OK legislature was milk sop to appease OKlahomans who want a referendum on open carry. Last edited by Tom Servo; May 10, 2012 at 09:14 PM. Reason: Removed intemperate language.

May 11, 2012, 08:14 AM	#19
Eppie Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2010 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 802	Has anybody considered that.... Continuing this discussion, here a link in today's Houston Chronicle http://www.chron.com/default/article...or-3548697.php Has anybody considered that carrying a pistol openly is more likely to make you a target to a predator? I carry concealed everyday, however I'm not about to open carry even if it was allowed. I think about all those newly release convicts that exit the cities bus stations all over the country. If they saw a 58 year old like me openly carrying all they would have to do is find a fist size rock, tuck it in their pocket and follow me to a nearby elevator, parking garage, office building hallway and from behind bash me in the head and pronto he has an untraceable gun and is back in business. Now we have an experienced/hardned criminal with a weapon on the loose. In my opinion open carry is a bad idea or at least a good thing carried too far. I'd like to hear what others think? __________________ "Socialized Medicine is the Keystone to the Arch of the Socialist State.” -Vladimir Lenin "I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - Thomas Jefferson (An early warning to Obama care)

May 11, 2012, 08:33 AM	#20
sundog Senior Member Join Date: November 22, 1999 Location: Green Country, OK Posts: 782	Well, Eppie, based on the scenario you provided, it boils down to situational awareness and common sense. That's what it's all about anyway. Isn't it? I think what the OK legislature has done is okay. Like others, I'm waiting to see what Governor Fallin will do... __________________ safety first

May 11, 2012, 12:55 PM	#21
hermannr Senior Member Join Date: March 24, 2011 Posts: 730	Eppie...OC does not expose you to any more danger than does carrying concealed. That is an uban myth..actually, IMHO, the reality is, OC exposes you to less danger as the criminal that would do you harm is put on notice that you are able to defend yourself. It has worked that way for me for over 40 years, and the one time someone was aggressively looking to do me harm, (That I know of for sure) when he saw my carry, he left...in a great hurry...and my carry never left it's holster.

May 11, 2012, 01:58 PM	#22
aarondhgraham Senior Member Join Date: December 1, 2009 Location: Stillwater, OKlahoma Posts: 8,638	I've said it before,,, and I'll say it again,,, No more accidental brandishing charges. This may not seem like too big of a deal to some,,, But some county DA's in this state are very predatory,,, They've told their county sheriff's to cite whenever possible. It's their personal method to discourage carrying. As soon as Governor Fallin signs it,,, I'll be a very happy camper,,, Waiting for November. Aarond . __________________ Never ever give an enemy the advantage of a verbal threat. Caje: The coward dies a thousand times, the brave only once. Kirby: That's about all it takes, ain't it? Aarond is good,,, Aarond is wise,,, Always trust Aarond! (most of the time)

May 15, 2012, 05:15 PM	#24
kinggabby Senior Member Join Date: March 22, 2011 Location: OKC Posts: 502	Come Nov 1st it will be time to dance in the streets. Great having a Governor who kept such an important campaign promise.

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