Pacific Northwest TFLers ...

pax · March 8, 2001, 01:23 AM

Is anyone interested in a get together in the Portland or Seattle area sometime this spring or summer?

pax

jhisaac · March 8, 2001, 03:43 PM

I would be interested in a Portland area shoot.
Jason

acp Mikey · March 8, 2001, 08:33 PM

Another vote for a Portland get together!

Marty Hayes · March 8, 2001, 09:18 PM

Hey, I would offer my range for a get together. In fact, we have some matches already scheduled, so it would be easy to schedule a little eyeball session.

Range is located halfway between Seattle and Portland, in the little berg of Onalaska, WA

Marty Hayes
Firearms Academy of Seattle

tstr · March 9, 2001, 12:22 AM

Count me in.

I swung by Marty's shooting range awhile back. Looks like a great range. Be a good place to get together.

tstr

tstr · March 11, 2001, 12:47 AM

btt

OF · March 11, 2001, 03:06 AM

I'd be there.

- gabe

John Marshall · March 11, 2001, 10:50 PM

I could get up there from my little hidey-hole on the coast.

Hey, Marty, do you think you could stop being an instructor at a TFL shoot? Or would you feel compelled to offer advice gratis?

nwgunman · March 11, 2001, 11:16 PM

Sounds good....hopefully a weekend?

pax · March 13, 2001, 01:28 AM

Sometime in May? What's everyone think?

Weekend sounds good -- but is Marty's range available on the weekends? Seems to me I recall he's got a few classes going on ...

pax

Being rich is having money; being wealthy is having time. -- Margaret Bonnano

Marty Hayes · March 13, 2001, 09:28 AM

Here's what I would recommend.

We have a 3-gun match scheduled for May 5th, and a Handgun Tactical Match scheduled for May 6th. Either or both, they are seperate matches. Decide on which one to come to, and spend the day squadded together. The good news with this idea is that you won't have to do the work in setting up the match.

I am not able to set aside a seperate weekend for a TFL get-together, all our weekends are booked until Dec.

AND, I have no trouble not being an instructor for a day. Usually when we are having a match, and a shooter is doing particulary poor, I might say something like the following:

Marty: Want a little advice?

Shooter: Sure...

Marty: Take a class...

SKN · March 13, 2001, 11:25 AM

Marty,

Match fees and pre-reqs? Ammo requirements?

Marty Hayes · March 14, 2001, 09:20 AM

Match fee is $15 each day, or $25 for both days.

200 rounds handgun ammohsould get you through both days, 100 rounds rifle ammo, some birdshot and/or buck shot and a few slugs.

No pre-reqs, just a good working knowledge of guns and gun safety.

John Marshall · March 15, 2001, 12:01 AM

That sounds d*mned reasonable to me, guys. What do y'all think?

BTW Marty, that was exactly the kind of "advice" I would have been looking for.

One more thing. What kind of "experts" would we be shooting against/with? One always needs to know the capabilities of the enem.. uh, competition.

pax · March 15, 2001, 12:39 AM

Sounds great!

What's everyone think -- Saturday or Sunday? Or both?

Marty, I've never been involved in a match shoot. What's a "three gun match"? What's involved in that? And is a Handgun Tactical match an IPSC type shoot or what?

pax

SKN · March 15, 2001, 02:32 AM

Start time and, if there is one, the reg procedure please and I'll meet you there for one or both days.

BTW, Aussie TFLer BruceFromWestOz is due to visit Oregon (Salem) around that time and I believe he was interested in getting together so hopefully, this will coincide with his schedule.

Marty Hayes · March 15, 2001, 11:53 AM

The following is the match announcement that I put out a few weeks ago about the years matches. It should answer all the questions, with the exception of the 3-gun question.

Our 3-gun matches consist of rifle/carbine, shotgun and pistol. They usually have a couple stages of each, and a couple of transition stages, (long-gun to pistol).

Scoped carbines or iron sights compete equally, usually the advantages of one type are offset by the disadvantages. Normally people bring their Mini-14 or Ar-15.

The level of competition is pretty good, we can at any time have a master level IPSC shooter or two, most people are mid level competent. But, since there is nothing to win, (except at the championships), people don't take themselves too seriously, even the hotdogs.

Our tactical matches are judged primarily on your tactics to handle a particular scenario. A typical scenario, and one from last years, championship had you enter a dimly lit parking garage, and you are surrounded by 4 bad guys, who say, "Gimme your wallet". You are judged on how you handle the scenario. I'll post the tactical match rules of engagement seperately.

Here's the announcement..........................

It’s Shootin Time!

After a glorious winter weather wise, it is now time to start shooting again. March 10th is our first match, a steel match put on by Rich, Bob, and Rachael. This match will be a minimum of 6 stages of challenging steel shooting, (bring your fastest gun), as the lowest time wins. I have re-set up all steel targets this year, and calibrated them for 9mm hardball. So, while your wimpy .38 loads might be just fine for the steel plates, bring some more powerful ones for the full sized poppers. How much ammo? At least a hundred rounds, (maybe more depending on how many times you miss). Cost: $15.00

Our second match of the year is a 2-day, mega shooting weekend, put on by Oregon contingent Earle, Wayde and Raye. On Saturday, May 5th we will have a 3-gun match, (rifle, pistol and shotgun). It will have at least 2 stages of each firearm, and more than likely, some transition work. 50 rounds pistol, 50 rounds rifle, 50 rounds birdshot. 10 rounds buckshot and 10 slugs should get you through. (You may shoot ALL buckshot instead of birdshot if you want). Then, on Sunday, May 6th, you will be treated to a handgun only tactical match, testing your software instead of hardware. 6-8 stages of mind bogglers. Cost for each match is $15.00, or $25.00 for both.

Sunday, July 8th will see another handgun tactics match, but this time put on by Clay, Tracy and MaryBeth. Their match last year was a lot of fun and good lessons, this one should be even better. Cost: $15.00

Remember IDPA? That shooting sport that we officially did here for a couple of years? Rich, Shawn and Kale have agreed to put on a pure handgun shooting skills match following the IDPA format, on Sunday, Sept. 9th. Scenarios that are based on real life problems, scored as a combination of speed, tactics and accuracy. 6-8 stages, over 100 rounds. Cost: $15.00

And, for the final match of the year, your leader in arms, (me), will put together another combination "FAS Tactical and Handgun Championship" match and chili feed, (we still have some left over from last year). 4 stages in the morning of pure shooting challenges, and in the afternoon, 4 more tactical challenges. (or is it the other way around, I’m not sure). But we will have a lot of fun and see if Chuck Anderson and Rich Bitow can come back and defend their crowns.
Cost: $25.00 includes lunch.

SATURDAY, MARCH 10TH STEEL MATCH RICH B. , BOB AND RACHAEL

SATURDAY, MAY 5TH 3-GUN MATCH WAYDE, EARLE AND RAYE

SUNDAY, MAY 6TH HANDGUN TACTICAL MATCH WAYDE, EARLE AND RAYE

SUNDAY, JULY 8TH HANDGUN TACTICAL MATCH CLAY, TRACY AND MARYBETH

SUNDAY, SEPT. 9TH IDPA STYLE HANDGUN MATCH RICH F. , KALE AND SHAWN

SUNDAY, NOVEMBER 11TH FAS HANDGUN TACTICAL AND HANDGUN SHOOTING CHAMPIONSHIPS

All matches start registering shooters at 9:00 am, and shooting starts at 10:00 am. We sincerely hope you will consider attending one or all the matches. Without participation, the matches will go away. I personally would like to thank those who help make last seasons matches a success, and look forward to working with this years match directors to make this year even better. If anyone needs to reach me about these matches, the phone number is 1-360-978-6100. But, is probably easier to communicate e-mail, "[email protected]". See you all on March 10th!!!
Marty

deanf · March 16, 2001, 06:23 AM

I know 3 PNW TFLers who are interested. And we just happen to have those May days off.

pax · March 18, 2001, 12:10 PM

I'm really looking forward to this. Count me in for sure.

pax

Marty Hayes · March 19, 2001, 11:29 AM

Since I will have to send out maps to the place, I'll take the lead in coordinating this. Please e-mail me your snail mail address, and I'll send a map out to the place. Will also see how many people are coming, to get a headcount.

Also, be sure to print out a copy of those rules of engagement, as they will be the rules we operate under for this match.

e-mail address is: [email protected]

Marty Hayes · March 21, 2001, 11:03 AM

So far, have received only two confirmations of attendance. Is this all that are going to make it?

pax · March 26, 2001, 02:35 PM

btt

PropellerHead · March 28, 2001, 02:49 PM

I just stumbled across this and am very excited about the idea! I recently picked up a shotgun and now have what I need to compete in a 3-gun match! Woo-Hoo!

I need to check with my social coordinator (aka wife) to see if we're free that weekend. If we are, this sounds like a lot of fun. I'll let my fellow "gun-nut" friends know about this. I think they'll be interested too.

SKN · April 9, 2001, 04:02 PM

BTT

swestby · April 13, 2001, 10:33 PM

I'll head up that'away, God willin' and the creeks don't rise between here and there, and there aren't any high power sport rocket launches that weekend.

Steve Westby
Hillsboro, OR

March 8, 2001, 01:23 AM	#1
pax Senior Member Join Date: May 16, 2000 Location: In a state of flux Posts: 7,520	Is anyone interested in a get together in the Portland or Seattle area sometime this spring or summer? pax __________________ Kathy Jackson My personal website: Cornered Cat

March 8, 2001, 08:33 PM	#3
acp Mikey Member Join Date: February 5, 2000 Posts: 71	Another vote for a Portland get together! __________________ acp Mikey

March 11, 2001, 10:50 PM	#8
John Marshall Senior Member Join Date: January 30, 2000 Posts: 434	I could get up there from my little hidey-hole on the coast. Hey, Marty, do you think you could stop being an instructor at a TFL shoot? Or would you feel compelled to offer advice gratis? __________________ If you're not a little upset with the way the world is going, you're not paying attention.

March 15, 2001, 12:01 AM	#14
John Marshall Senior Member Join Date: January 30, 2000 Posts: 434	That sounds dmned reasonable to me, guys. What do y'all think? BTW Marty, that was exactly* the kind of "advice" I would have been looking for. One more thing. What kind of "experts" would we be shooting against/with? One always needs to know the capabilities of the enem.. uh, competition. __________________ If you're not a little upset with the way the world is going, you're not paying attention.

March 15, 2001, 12:39 AM	#15
pax Senior Member Join Date: May 16, 2000 Location: In a state of flux Posts: 7,520	Sounds great! What's everyone think -- Saturday or Sunday? Or both? Marty, I've never been involved in a match shoot. What's a "three gun match"? What's involved in that? And is a Handgun Tactical match an IPSC type shoot or what? pax __________________ Kathy Jackson My personal website: Cornered Cat

March 8, 2001, 03:43 PM	#2
jhisaac Senior Member Join Date: December 1, 2000 Location: Newberg, Or Posts: 144	I would be interested in a Portland area shoot. Jason

March 8, 2001, 09:18 PM	#4
Marty Hayes Senior Member Join Date: September 16, 1999 Posts: 244	Hey, I would offer my range for a get together. In fact, we have some matches already scheduled, so it would be easy to schedule a little eyeball session. Range is located halfway between Seattle and Portland, in the little berg of Onalaska, WA Marty Hayes Firearms Academy of Seattle

March 9, 2001, 12:22 AM	#5
tstr Senior Member Join Date: April 15, 2000 Location: Oregon Posts: 233	Count me in. I swung by Marty's shooting range awhile back. Looks like a great range. Be a good place to get together. tstr

March 11, 2001, 12:47 AM	#6
tstr Senior Member Join Date: April 15, 2000 Location: Oregon Posts: 233	btt

March 11, 2001, 03:06 AM	#7
OF Senior Member Join Date: April 11, 2000 Posts: 2,239	I'd be there. - gabe

March 11, 2001, 11:16 PM	#9
nwgunman Senior Member Join Date: July 16, 1999 Location: Olympia, WA Posts: 312	Sounds good....hopefully a weekend?

March 13, 2001, 01:28 AM	#10
pax Senior Member Join Date: May 16, 2000 Location: In a state of flux Posts: 7,520	Sometime in May? What's everyone think? Weekend sounds good -- but is Marty's range available on the weekends? Seems to me I recall he's got a few classes going on ... pax Being rich is having money; being wealthy is having time. -- Margaret Bonnano

March 13, 2001, 09:28 AM	#11
Marty Hayes Senior Member Join Date: September 16, 1999 Posts: 244	Here's what I would recommend. We have a 3-gun match scheduled for May 5th, and a Handgun Tactical Match scheduled for May 6th. Either or both, they are seperate matches. Decide on which one to come to, and spend the day squadded together. The good news with this idea is that you won't have to do the work in setting up the match. I am not able to set aside a seperate weekend for a TFL get-together, all our weekends are booked until Dec. AND, I have no trouble not being an instructor for a day. Usually when we are having a match, and a shooter is doing particulary poor, I might say something like the following: Marty: Want a little advice? Shooter: Sure... Marty: Take a class...

March 13, 2001, 11:25 AM	#12
SKN Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 1998 Location: Oregon Posts: 264	Marty, Match fees and pre-reqs? Ammo requirements?

March 14, 2001, 09:20 AM	#13
Marty Hayes Senior Member Join Date: September 16, 1999 Posts: 244	Match fee is $15 each day, or $25 for both days. 200 rounds handgun ammohsould get you through both days, 100 rounds rifle ammo, some birdshot and/or buck shot and a few slugs. No pre-reqs, just a good working knowledge of guns and gun safety.

March 15, 2001, 02:32 AM	#16
SKN Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 1998 Location: Oregon Posts: 264	Start time and, if there is one, the reg procedure please and I'll meet you there for one or both days. BTW, Aussie TFLer BruceFromWestOz is due to visit Oregon (Salem) around that time and I believe he was interested in getting together so hopefully, this will coincide with his schedule.

March 15, 2001, 11:53 AM	#17
Marty Hayes Senior Member Join Date: September 16, 1999 Posts: 244	Here's the scoop The following is the match announcement that I put out a few weeks ago about the years matches. It should answer all the questions, with the exception of the 3-gun question. Our 3-gun matches consist of rifle/carbine, shotgun and pistol. They usually have a couple stages of each, and a couple of transition stages, (long-gun to pistol). Scoped carbines or iron sights compete equally, usually the advantages of one type are offset by the disadvantages. Normally people bring their Mini-14 or Ar-15. The level of competition is pretty good, we can at any time have a master level IPSC shooter or two, most people are mid level competent. But, since there is nothing to win, (except at the championships), people don't take themselves too seriously, even the hotdogs. Our tactical matches are judged primarily on your tactics to handle a particular scenario. A typical scenario, and one from last years, championship had you enter a dimly lit parking garage, and you are surrounded by 4 bad guys, who say, "Gimme your wallet". You are judged on how you handle the scenario. I'll post the tactical match rules of engagement seperately. Here's the announcement.......................... It’s Shootin Time! After a glorious winter weather wise, it is now time to start shooting again. March 10th is our first match, a steel match put on by Rich, Bob, and Rachael. This match will be a minimum of 6 stages of challenging steel shooting, (bring your fastest gun), as the lowest time wins. I have re-set up all steel targets this year, and calibrated them for 9mm hardball. So, while your wimpy .38 loads might be just fine for the steel plates, bring some more powerful ones for the full sized poppers. How much ammo? At least a hundred rounds, (maybe more depending on how many times you miss). Cost: $15.00 Our second match of the year is a 2-day, mega shooting weekend, put on by Oregon contingent Earle, Wayde and Raye. On Saturday, May 5th we will have a 3-gun match, (rifle, pistol and shotgun). It will have at least 2 stages of each firearm, and more than likely, some transition work. 50 rounds pistol, 50 rounds rifle, 50 rounds birdshot. 10 rounds buckshot and 10 slugs should get you through. (You may shoot ALL buckshot instead of birdshot if you want). Then, on Sunday, May 6th, you will be treated to a handgun only tactical match, testing your software instead of hardware. 6-8 stages of mind bogglers. Cost for each match is $15.00, or $25.00 for both. Sunday, July 8th will see another handgun tactics match, but this time put on by Clay, Tracy and MaryBeth. Their match last year was a lot of fun and good lessons, this one should be even better. Cost: $15.00 Remember IDPA? That shooting sport that we officially did here for a couple of years? Rich, Shawn and Kale have agreed to put on a pure handgun shooting skills match following the IDPA format, on Sunday, Sept. 9th. Scenarios that are based on real life problems, scored as a combination of speed, tactics and accuracy. 6-8 stages, over 100 rounds. Cost: $15.00 And, for the final match of the year, your leader in arms, (me), will put together another combination "FAS Tactical and Handgun Championship" match and chili feed, (we still have some left over from last year). 4 stages in the morning of pure shooting challenges, and in the afternoon, 4 more tactical challenges. (or is it the other way around, I’m not sure). But we will have a lot of fun and see if Chuck Anderson and Rich Bitow can come back and defend their crowns. Cost: $25.00 includes lunch. SATURDAY, MARCH 10TH STEEL MATCH RICH B. , BOB AND RACHAEL SATURDAY, MAY 5TH 3-GUN MATCH WAYDE, EARLE AND RAYE SUNDAY, MAY 6TH HANDGUN TACTICAL MATCH WAYDE, EARLE AND RAYE SUNDAY, JULY 8TH HANDGUN TACTICAL MATCH CLAY, TRACY AND MARYBETH SUNDAY, SEPT. 9TH IDPA STYLE HANDGUN MATCH RICH F. , KALE AND SHAWN SUNDAY, NOVEMBER 11TH FAS HANDGUN TACTICAL AND HANDGUN SHOOTING CHAMPIONSHIPS All matches start registering shooters at 9:00 am, and shooting starts at 10:00 am. We sincerely hope you will consider attending one or all the matches. Without participation, the matches will go away. I personally would like to thank those who help make last seasons matches a success, and look forward to working with this years match directors to make this year even better. If anyone needs to reach me about these matches, the phone number is 1-360-978-6100. But, is probably easier to communicate e-mail, "[email protected]". See you all on March 10th!!! Marty

March 16, 2001, 06:23 AM	#18
deanf Senior Member Join Date: June 5, 1999 Location: N47º 12’ x W122º 10' Posts: 1,599	I know 3 PNW TFLers who are interested. And we just happen to have those May days off. __________________ I'm a constitutional fetishist. Airplane Pictures

March 18, 2001, 12:10 PM	#19
pax Senior Member Join Date: May 16, 2000 Location: In a state of flux Posts: 7,520	I'm really looking forward to this. Count me in for sure. pax

March 19, 2001, 11:29 AM	#20
Marty Hayes Senior Member Join Date: September 16, 1999 Posts: 244	Since I will have to send out maps to the place, I'll take the lead in coordinating this. Please e-mail me your snail mail address, and I'll send a map out to the place. Will also see how many people are coming, to get a headcount. Also, be sure to print out a copy of those rules of engagement, as they will be the rules we operate under for this match. e-mail address is: [email protected]

March 21, 2001, 11:03 AM	#21
Marty Hayes Senior Member Join Date: September 16, 1999 Posts: 244	So far, have received only two confirmations of attendance. Is this all that are going to make it?

March 26, 2001, 02:35 PM	#22
pax Senior Member Join Date: May 16, 2000 Location: In a state of flux Posts: 7,520	btt

March 28, 2001, 02:49 PM	#23
PropellerHead Member Join Date: July 4, 2000 Location: Vancouver, Washington, USA Posts: 60	I just stumbled across this and am very excited about the idea! I recently picked up a shotgun and now have what I need to compete in a 3-gun match! Woo-Hoo! I need to check with my social coordinator (aka wife) to see if we're free that weekend. If we are, this sounds like a lot of fun. I'll let my fellow "gun-nut" friends know about this. I think they'll be interested too.

April 9, 2001, 04:02 PM	#24
SKN Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 1998 Location: Oregon Posts: 264	BTT

April 13, 2001, 10:33 PM	#25
swestby Member Join Date: December 6, 2000 Location: Lebanon, OR Posts: 69	I'll head up that'away... I'll head up that'away, God willin' and the creeks don't rise between here and there, and there aren't any high power sport rocket launches that weekend. Steve Westby Hillsboro, OR

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