cci sized nipples?

red96ta · March 1, 2013, 08:00 PM

I've found a grand total of three cans of Remington #10 caps in four counties, but everybody seems to have cci #10's...the LGS 2 miles from me has two cases of the things that I won't buy because they never fit.

other than sanding my nipples on all the guns down to take the cci's, I wish someone would actually manufacturer a nipple that takes the darned things!

Hawg · March 1, 2013, 08:45 PM

I believe Treso makes them.

tahunua001 · March 1, 2013, 08:48 PM

from what I understand #10 is for ball and cap pistols. most rifles should use number 11 caps...

then again I'm an amateur when it comes to muzzle stuffers

between my brother in law, my brothers and I we have about 8 muzzle loaders and they all use 11s, my brother in law has a ball and cap pistol and it uses 10s

North East Redneck · March 1, 2013, 09:35 PM

From what I see with caps I have, smallest to largest, #10 CCI, #11 CCI, #11 rem, #10 rem. I know, it makes no sense. This is just what I've seen. I currently have a few thousand caps in the above sizes, I know how they fit on different nipples. I find rem #10 to be the best fit for everything revolver except the 1851 Pietta made in '74, it likes CCI #11. I realize that from lot to lot etc, the caps vary. Also have some 1075 caps, just got those, haven't tried them yet. My 1858 will fire with pretty much any cap. Real strong main spring.(ASM, imported through CVA, 1990) The ROA, with ampco nips likes #10 rem. Those nipples are supposed to be for #11 CCI. My NAA .22 is also supposed to to take #11. CCI #11 will not fit. Causes the cylinder to bind. #10 rem fits and fires without a problem. Buy Treso nipples and see what works. YMMV. I haven't been doing this all that long. Ten years or so, others know much more than I.
My .02. Best luck.

Hellgate · March 3, 2013, 05:09 PM

My order of cap sizes from smallest to largest goes like this: RWS #55, CCI#10, CCI#11, RWS#1075, Rem#10, Rem#11. Half of my guns will take the CCI#11, half will take the RWS#1075 but ALL of them will take the Rem#10 or I buy the TOW SS, Uncle Mikes SS replacement nipples to make them fit. The CCI#11s are the closest to the Rem#10 just not as forgiving as to nipple fit. The REms are pre split and of thinner copper so they swell upon seating and grab a greater variety of nipple shank sizes. The CCIs are not pre split and are harder to seat but fit quite a few different guns and are more available.

mykeal · March 3, 2013, 07:17 PM

Based on measurement of at least 20 samples of each brand and size:

However, don't let three decimal places fool you. You don't get repeatable three decimal place precision for 4 cents each. These numbers vary from batch to batch. Once you think you've got them figured out, you're bound to get a batch that doesn't fit.

Hawg · March 3, 2013, 07:47 PM

Where are you getting caps for 4 bucks?

mykeal · March 3, 2013, 08:00 PM

Friendship, during the Spring Nationals. I buy 'em by the thousands every time I go. Didn't buy any last year, so maybe they've gone up there too.

kwhi43 · March 3, 2013, 08:33 PM

Nope, they were still 40.00 a thousand. I got another 10,000 to go with the
10 thousand I already had. I'll be there again in June.

deerslayer303 · March 3, 2013, 10:34 PM

I use CCI #11's and RWS 1075's. ONLY because I get them locally. With my Pietta NMA Sheriff (<the range hound) I have to put the Ted Williams capper down and put the nipples on by hand with a pinch to get them to fit tight. No cap jams etc. But it sure would be nice to use a capper. I still have yet to buy new nipples. I'm too caught up in buying guns

red96ta · March 3, 2013, 11:11 PM

A day after I posted this, I made a last ditch effort and drove a county away to a larger LGS and found a thousand Remington #10's and bought them all at $6/can.

Hey Hawg, the same gun store that had the Remington caps also had RWS 1075's for $4/can...they, too, work great on the Dragoon.

North East Redneck · March 5, 2013, 07:02 PM

Hawg, my favorite LGS sells 100 piece tins of Rem #10 for $3.95. CCI #11 for $6.99. Another LGS sells both for $10-$12 a 100 piece tin. Yet another place sold me 1000 CCI #209s for $16.

North East Redneck · March 5, 2013, 07:24 PM

Mykeal, thanks for the measurements. I guess going by sight and feel I was pretty close. Your measurements say that #11 CCI and #11 rem is the same. Perhaps the rem seems larger because of the thickness of the cap material, and its ability to expand easier? Are the #11 rems split like #10s? That could be it also. Haven't used #11 rems in a long time.
And of course different lots of the same size don't match up.

Hellgate · March 5, 2013, 07:38 PM

NE Redneck,
The Rem #10s and #11s are the same DIAMETER but the #11s are shorter in order to grip fatter cones (larger nipples). A smaller nipple will get gripped farther down the shank with the longer #10 and thus is considered a "smaller" cap.

Hawg · March 5, 2013, 07:46 PM

Quote:

Hawg, my favorite LGS sells 100 piece tins of Rem #10 for $3.95.

I paid five something for my last Remington 10's but that's been awhile.

North East Redneck · March 6, 2013, 05:15 PM

Hellgate, good point. Got it. I guess I saw it differently, but your explanation makes perfect sense.

Hawg, I bought some couple weeks back. Last they had. With any luck the price won't go up to much with the next shipment they get.

March 1, 2013, 08:48 PM	#3
tahunua001 Senior Member Join Date: July 21, 2011 Location: Idaho Posts: 7,839	from what I understand #10 is for ball and cap pistols. most rifles should use number 11 caps... then again I'm an amateur when it comes to muzzle stuffers between my brother in law, my brothers and I we have about 8 muzzle loaders and they all use 11s, my brother in law has a ball and cap pistol and it uses 10s __________________ ignore my complete lack of capitalization. I still have no problem correcting your grammar. I never said half the stuff people said I did-Albert Einstein You can't believe everything you read on the internet-Benjamin Franklin

March 1, 2013, 09:35 PM	#4
North East Redneck Senior Member Join Date: June 6, 2012 Location: Berkshire Hills Posts: 741	From what I see with caps I have, smallest to largest, #10 CCI, #11 CCI, #11 rem, #10 rem. I know, it makes no sense. This is just what I've seen. I currently have a few thousand caps in the above sizes, I know how they fit on different nipples. I find rem #10 to be the best fit for everything revolver except the 1851 Pietta made in '74, it likes CCI #11. I realize that from lot to lot etc, the caps vary. Also have some 1075 caps, just got those, haven't tried them yet. My 1858 will fire with pretty much any cap. Real strong main spring.(ASM, imported through CVA, 1990) The ROA, with ampco nips likes #10 rem. Those nipples are supposed to be for #11 CCI. My NAA .22 is also supposed to to take #11. CCI #11 will not fit. Causes the cylinder to bind. #10 rem fits and fires without a problem. Buy Treso nipples and see what works. YMMV. I haven't been doing this all that long. Ten years or so, others know much more than I. My .02. Best luck. __________________ NRA Patron Member SAF Life Member GOAL Member

March 5, 2013, 07:02 PM	#12
North East Redneck Senior Member Join Date: June 6, 2012 Location: Berkshire Hills Posts: 741	Hawg, my favorite LGS sells 100 piece tins of Rem #10 for $3.95. CCI #11 for $6.99. Another LGS sells both for $10-$12 a 100 piece tin. Yet another place sold me 1000 CCI #209s for $16. __________________ NRA Patron Member SAF Life Member GOAL Member

March 5, 2013, 07:24 PM	#13
North East Redneck Senior Member Join Date: June 6, 2012 Location: Berkshire Hills Posts: 741	Mykeal, thanks for the measurements. I guess going by sight and feel I was pretty close. Your measurements say that #11 CCI and #11 rem is the same. Perhaps the rem seems larger because of the thickness of the cap material, and its ability to expand easier? Are the #11 rems split like #10s? That could be it also. Haven't used #11 rems in a long time. And of course different lots of the same size don't match up. __________________ NRA Patron Member SAF Life Member GOAL Member

March 5, 2013, 07:38 PM	#14
Hellgate Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 2010 Location: Orygun Posts: 869	NE Redneck, The Rem #10s and #11s are the same DIAMETER but the #11s are shorter in order to grip fatter cones (larger nipples). A smaller nipple will get gripped farther down the shank with the longer #10 and thus is considered a "smaller" cap. __________________ With over 15 perCUSSIN' revolvers, I've been called the Imelda Marcos of cap & ball. SASS#3302 (Life), SASS Regulator, NRA (Life), Dirty Gamey Bastards #129 Wolverton Mtn. Peacekeepers (WA), former Orygun Cowboy (Ranger, Posse from Hell)

March 1, 2013, 08:00 PM	#1
red96ta Member Join Date: July 6, 2012 Posts: 50	cci sized nipples? I've found a grand total of three cans of Remington #10 caps in four counties, but everybody seems to have cci #10's...the LGS 2 miles from me has two cases of the things that I won't buy because they never fit. other than sanding my nipples on all the guns down to take the cci's, I wish someone would actually manufacturer a nipple that takes the darned things!

March 1, 2013, 08:45 PM	#2
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,188	I believe Treso makes them.

March 3, 2013, 05:09 PM	#5
Hellgate Senior Member Join Date: November 18, 2010 Location: Orygun Posts: 869	My order of cap sizes from smallest to largest goes like this: RWS #55, CCI#10, CCI#11, RWS#1075, Rem#10, Rem#11. Half of my guns will take the CCI#11, half will take the RWS#1075 but ALL of them will take the Rem#10 or I buy the TOW SS, Uncle Mikes SS replacement nipples to make them fit. The CCI#11s are the closest to the Rem#10 just not as forgiving as to nipple fit. The REms are pre split and of thinner copper so they swell upon seating and grab a greater variety of nipple shank sizes. The CCIs are not pre split and are harder to seat but fit quite a few different guns and are more available. __________________ With over 15 perCUSSIN' revolvers, I've been called the Imelda Marcos of cap & ball. SASS#3302 (Life), SASS Regulator, NRA (Life), Dirty Gamey Bastards #129 Wolverton Mtn. Peacekeepers (WA), former Orygun Cowboy (Ranger, Posse from Hell)

March 3, 2013, 07:17 PM	#6
mykeal Senior Member Join Date: October 8, 2006 Location: Northern Michigan Posts: 2,772	Based on measurement of at least 20 samples of each brand and size: However, don't let three decimal places fool you. You don't get repeatable three decimal place precision for 4 cents each. These numbers vary from batch to batch. Once you think you've got them figured out, you're bound to get a batch that doesn't fit.

March 3, 2013, 07:47 PM	#7
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,188	Where are you getting caps for 4 bucks?

March 3, 2013, 08:00 PM	#8
mykeal Senior Member Join Date: October 8, 2006 Location: Northern Michigan Posts: 2,772	Friendship, during the Spring Nationals. I buy 'em by the thousands every time I go. Didn't buy any last year, so maybe they've gone up there too.

March 3, 2013, 08:33 PM	#9
kwhi43 Senior Member Join Date: August 21, 2008 Location: Kansas City Posts: 1,393	Nope, they were still 40.00 a thousand. I got another 10,000 to go with the 10 thousand I already had. I'll be there again in June.

March 3, 2013, 10:34 PM	#10
deerslayer303 Senior Member Join Date: January 10, 2011 Location: Leesville SC Posts: 2,652	I use CCI #11's and RWS 1075's. ONLY because I get them locally. With my Pietta NMA Sheriff (<the range hound) I have to put the Ted Williams capper down and put the nipples on by hand with a pinch to get them to fit tight. No cap jams etc. But it sure would be nice to use a capper. I still have yet to buy new nipples. I'm too caught up in buying guns __________________ "I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery." - Thomas Jefferson

March 3, 2013, 11:11 PM	#11
red96ta Member Join Date: July 6, 2012 Posts: 50	A day after I posted this, I made a last ditch effort and drove a county away to a larger LGS and found a thousand Remington #10's and bought them all at $6/can. Hey Hawg, the same gun store that had the Remington caps also had RWS 1075's for $4/can...they, too, work great on the Dragoon.

March 6, 2013, 05:15 PM	#16
North East Redneck Senior Member Join Date: June 6, 2012 Location: Berkshire Hills Posts: 741	Hellgate, good point. Got it. I guess I saw it differently, but your explanation makes perfect sense. Hawg, I bought some couple weeks back. Last they had. With any luck the price won't go up to much with the next shipment they get. __________________ NRA Patron Member SAF Life Member GOAL Member