cases sticking-lee rifle full-lenght resizing die

england · June 2, 2009, 02:18 PM

the cases will only go about halfway in the die, and they get stuck. with some force they pop back out. they're well lubricated. the decapping pin doesn't even reach the spent primer. its not the neck resizer, its the case resizing part thats stuck. ive tried more than one case, with the same result. there is no debris in the die and the case is clean. im using .243 cases and .243 dies, the cases have been chamfered, i just got the dies, so the've never worked. so whats wrong here? i tried to call lee today but it wont even ring

Nate1778 · June 2, 2009, 02:29 PM

Make sure you lube the inside of the neck as well. I find with rifle brass that is first being run through a die the first time, it takes a lot of lube then I run it up into the die til I feel "the catch". Then back it out and go back up, this time a bit further. repeat this til finally the brass goes all the way up. Sometime it takes 6-10 pulses. As the lube gets into the die it becomes less. Once the brass matches your die, you should be able to cycle it in one pump. Just be careful to know when a pump has gone far enough, otherwise you get a stuck case. Just keep in mind what is going on in that die. Some brass you are completely re-shaping, so little bits at a time makes it easier.

Alleykat · June 2, 2009, 02:34 PM

If these are new dies, make sure the "bleeder" hole is clear. Run a paper clip through it, or something similar. Also, make sure that you're not using too much lube. I lightly spray my .243 cases with Hornady One Shot, with the cases lying flat. I don't lube the inside of case mouths.

england · June 2, 2009, 03:14 PM

well im guessing after about 50 tries one should decide to return the die?

Alleykat · June 2, 2009, 04:20 PM

Only if you've made sure that the "bleeder" hole is clear and that you're not using too much lube.

All dies don't have a bleeder hole. Can't remember whether Lees do or not.

howlnmad · June 2, 2009, 04:25 PM

Yep, Lee dies do have a bleeder

30Cal · June 3, 2009, 04:40 PM

What kind of lube and what kind of press?

Sport45 · June 3, 2009, 05:16 PM

Make sure the top of the decapping rod is about even with the top of the jam nut that holds it in place. If the decapper is adjusted too high the neck expanding button may be up inside the neck sizing part of the die. There won't be enough room for the neck in between the two if that's the case.

Well Regulated · June 3, 2009, 06:03 PM

Spray some One Shot into the die. I believe the directions say to do this.

Alleykat · June 4, 2009, 06:52 PM

Or, post a question on here and DON'T take anybody's advice!!

**Unclenick** · June 4, 2009, 07:33 PM

I like Sport45's answer. The last Lee sizing die I got uses their long body expander. It would be easy to get that too far up in the die and cause the case mouth to jam and stick. It's easy to test. Just remove the decapper/expander completely and see if you can size a case without them? If so, that part's position is the issue. You would then need to get it right to remove a fired primer and to bring the case mouth out to its correct ID, but the test will diagnose whether the problem is the decapper/expander position or a faulty sizing die?

england · June 6, 2009, 03:17 PM

im using the lee classic turret press and c.l.p. theres a new problem. we bought another set and built a new bench. the die was working fine, until it ripped the rim off of one of the cases. tried the thing on lees site it says to do, but it didnt budge. me and dad both beat the crap outa this thing in more ways than one and it didnt work.couldnt remove the decapping pin either. needless to say the poor things pin is useless now, even if we do remove it. figured id give the last bunch a shot before we sent them off. embarrassingly enough it decided to work, until the same thing happened. tried what lees site says, didnt work. havent screwed this one up yet. what do i do?

flashhole · June 6, 2009, 03:37 PM

Do you have any pictures you can share?

england · June 6, 2009, 04:02 PM

not sure what good they will do. the jam nut is screwed out, but it was preset dead even with the top of the pin

snuffy · June 6, 2009, 04:18 PM

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im using the lee classic turret press and c.l.p.

CLP? You gotta be kidding. Those letters mean Cleaner, Lubricant, Penetrant. NOT a good lube for case sizing, it's too thin. You need a real case sizing lube like Imperial sizing wax or RCBS case lube 2 or case slick spray.

Once you get those dies fixed, either by sending them to the manufacturer, or getting a stuck case remover kit, get some real case lube, you'll love how much better things go.

flashhole · June 6, 2009, 05:14 PM

You have your decapper adjusted too far down. It should protrude through the flash hole just below the case bottom when the case is fully sized, just enought to push the primer out. I will second the vote for some Imperial Sizing Die Wax. It's all I use any more. One tin lasts for thousands of rounds.

30Cal · June 6, 2009, 11:21 PM

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im using the lee classic turret press and c.l.p.

Get a case lube. CLP is NOT a case lube.

rogn · June 7, 2009, 09:02 AM

Dont know where you are if youre here in US get some STP put on stamp pad and roll cases over it. want light coat all over case. handle them abit to en sure "light coat". This is the best combo for stuborn or oversized or case forming. Spraylubes are suspect the others are great, but right now staiten out the problem. If you are in UK(england?), try to obtain some anhydous lanolin and use a tiny bit spread with the fingers all over the case(this is one of the absolute best lubes for high metal to metal resistance bar none, but hard to find in US). If the cases dont size with either of these lubes you may want to try cases fired in differnt rifle or do a chamber cast of your own. You could have an abnormal nonstandard chamber -AI or othr improved.

Slamfire · June 7, 2009, 09:06 AM

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Get a case lube. CLP is NOT a case lube

.

+1

Try RCBS water soluble or Imperial sizing wax.

CrustyFN · June 7, 2009, 11:12 AM

Loosen the jam nut for the decapping pin and drive the pin and case out with a punch. Reinstall the pin and use some real case lube and you will be fine.
http://www.leeprecision.com/html/Hel...k%20case-1.wmv

Rusty

A/C Guy · June 7, 2009, 10:27 PM

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needless to say the poor things pin is useless now, even if we do remove it. figured id give the last bunch a shot before we sent them off. embarrassingly enough it decided to work, until the same thing happened. tried what lees site says, didnt work. havent screwed this one up yet. what do i do?

Do what Lee says. Send it back to them with $4 and they will fix it for you. Leave the stuck case in it and just ship it back.(I think in extreme cases, they just give you a new die.)

June 2, 2009, 02:18 PM	#1
england Junior Member Join Date: June 2, 2009 Posts: 4	cases sticking-lee rifle full-lenght resizing die the cases will only go about halfway in the die, and they get stuck. with some force they pop back out. they're well lubricated. the decapping pin doesn't even reach the spent primer. its not the neck resizer, its the case resizing part thats stuck. ive tried more than one case, with the same result. there is no debris in the die and the case is clean. im using .243 cases and .243 dies, the cases have been chamfered, i just got the dies, so the've never worked. so whats wrong here? i tried to call lee today but it wont even ring

June 2, 2009, 02:29 PM	#2
Nate1778 Senior Member Join Date: January 21, 2009 Location: Louisville Ky Posts: 312	Make sure you lube the inside of the neck as well. I find with rifle brass that is first being run through a die the first time, it takes a lot of lube then I run it up into the die til I feel "the catch". Then back it out and go back up, this time a bit further. repeat this til finally the brass goes all the way up. Sometime it takes 6-10 pulses. As the lube gets into the die it becomes less. Once the brass matches your die, you should be able to cycle it in one pump. Just be careful to know when a pump has gone far enough, otherwise you get a stuck case. Just keep in mind what is going on in that die. Some brass you are completely re-shaping, so little bits at a time makes it easier. __________________ "And finally, the Baby Bear looked and he said, "Somebody's sleeping in my bed, and the bastard's still there!" But Goldylocks had a Remington semi-automatic, with a scope and a hair-trigger!"

June 3, 2009, 05:16 PM	#8
Sport45 Senior Member Join Date: May 25, 1999 Location: Too close to Houston Posts: 4,196	Make sure the top of the decapping rod is about even with the top of the jam nut that holds it in place. If the decapper is adjusted too high the neck expanding button may be up inside the neck sizing part of the die. There won't be enough room for the neck in between the two if that's the case. __________________ Proud member of the NRA and Texas State Rifle Association. Registered and active voter.

June 4, 2009, 07:33 PM	#11
Unclenick Staff Join Date: March 4, 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 21,061	I like Sport45's answer. The last Lee sizing die I got uses their long body expander. It would be easy to get that too far up in the die and cause the case mouth to jam and stick. It's easy to test. Just remove the decapper/expander completely and see if you can size a case without them? If so, that part's position is the issue. You would then need to get it right to remove a fired primer and to bring the case mouth out to its correct ID, but the test will diagnose whether the problem is the decapper/expander position or a faulty sizing die? __________________ Gunsite Orange Hat Family Member CMP Certified GSM Master Instructor NRA Certified Rifle Instructor NRA Benefactor Member and Golden Eagle

June 6, 2009, 03:37 PM	#13
flashhole Senior Member Join Date: February 9, 2005 Location: Owego, NY Posts: 2,000	Do you have any pictures you can share? __________________ ,,, stupidity comes to some people very easily. 8/22/2017 my wife in a discussion about Liberals. Are you ready for civil war?

June 2, 2009, 02:34 PM	#3
Alleykat Junior member Join Date: July 26, 2007 Posts: 3,668	If these are new dies, make sure the "bleeder" hole is clear. Run a paper clip through it, or something similar. Also, make sure that you're not using too much lube. I lightly spray my .243 cases with Hornady One Shot, with the cases lying flat. I don't lube the inside of case mouths.

June 2, 2009, 03:14 PM	#4
england Junior Member Join Date: June 2, 2009 Posts: 4	well im guessing after about 50 tries one should decide to return the die?

June 2, 2009, 04:20 PM	#5
Alleykat Junior member Join Date: July 26, 2007 Posts: 3,668	Only if you've made sure that the "bleeder" hole is clear and that you're not using too much lube. All dies don't have a bleeder hole. Can't remember whether Lees do or not.

June 2, 2009, 04:25 PM	#6
howlnmad Senior Member Join Date: April 29, 2009 Location: Harriman Tn Posts: 424	Yep, Lee dies do have a bleeder

June 3, 2009, 04:40 PM	#7
30Cal Senior Member Join Date: December 3, 2002 Posts: 1,264	What kind of lube and what kind of press?

June 3, 2009, 06:03 PM	#9
Well Regulated Member Join Date: August 4, 2007 Location: Commonwealth of Virginia Posts: 22	Spray some One Shot into the die. I believe the directions say to do this.

June 4, 2009, 06:52 PM	#10
Alleykat Junior member Join Date: July 26, 2007 Posts: 3,668	Or, post a question on here and DON'T take anybody's advice!!

June 6, 2009, 03:17 PM	#12
england Junior Member Join Date: June 2, 2009 Posts: 4	im using the lee classic turret press and c.l.p. theres a new problem. we bought another set and built a new bench. the die was working fine, until it ripped the rim off of one of the cases. tried the thing on lees site it says to do, but it didnt budge. me and dad both beat the crap outa this thing in more ways than one and it didnt work.couldnt remove the decapping pin either. needless to say the poor things pin is useless now, even if we do remove it. figured id give the last bunch a shot before we sent them off. embarrassingly enough it decided to work, until the same thing happened. tried what lees site says, didnt work. havent screwed this one up yet. what do i do?

June 6, 2009, 05:14 PM	#16
flashhole Senior Member Join Date: February 9, 2005 Location: Owego, NY Posts: 2,000	You have your decapper adjusted too far down. It should protrude through the flash hole just below the case bottom when the case is fully sized, just enought to push the primer out. I will second the vote for some Imperial Sizing Die Wax. It's all I use any more. One tin lasts for thousands of rounds. __________________ ,,, stupidity comes to some people very easily. 8/22/2017 my wife in a discussion about Liberals. Are you ready for civil war?

June 7, 2009, 09:02 AM	#18
rogn Senior Member Join Date: December 25, 2005 Posts: 203	Dont know where you are if youre here in US get some STP put on stamp pad and roll cases over it. want light coat all over case. handle them abit to en sure "light coat". This is the best combo for stuborn or oversized or case forming. Spraylubes are suspect the others are great, but right now staiten out the problem. If you are in UK(england?), try to obtain some anhydous lanolin and use a tiny bit spread with the fingers all over the case(this is one of the absolute best lubes for high metal to metal resistance bar none, but hard to find in US). If the cases dont size with either of these lubes you may want to try cases fired in differnt rifle or do a chamber cast of your own. You could have an abnormal nonstandard chamber -AI or othr improved.

June 7, 2009, 11:12 AM	#20
CrustyFN Senior Member Join Date: June 4, 2006 Location: West Virginia Posts: 2,258	Loosen the jam nut for the decapping pin and drive the pin and case out with a punch. Reinstall the pin and use some real case lube and you will be fine. http://www.leeprecision.com/html/Hel...k%20case-1.wmv Rusty __________________ I don't ever remember being absent minded.