357 magnum 110 grain with H110 loads?

Deja vu · August 25, 2011, 06:37 PM

I have done a lot of shooting of my 1894 marlin. I have about 500 bullets in the 110 grain range. I all so have a large quantity of H110 powder (4 LBS) I am wondering what a good load would be using this powder and these bullets?

This is for a lever action so I don't have to worrie about flame cutting. I realise that a 110 grain bullet is light for a rifle but it will only be on paper (and pop cans) and may be a varmint here and there.

Sidewinder72 · August 25, 2011, 07:02 PM

My loadbook says start at 17.8 end at 20.6. That is for a jacketed bullet, not for cast.

243winxb · August 25, 2011, 07:47 PM

Hodgdon lists a starting load of 22.0gr and a maximum of 23.0gr with a 110gr HDY XTP jacketed bullet. They also have a warning

Quote:

Reduce H110 and Winchester 296 loads 3% and work up from there. H110 and Winchester 296 if reduced too much will cause inconsistent ignition. In some cases it will lodge a bullet in the barrel, causing a hazardous situation (Barrel Obstruction). This may cause severe personal injury or death to users or bystanders. DO NOT REDUCE H110 LOADS BY MORE THAN 3%.

Deja vu · August 25, 2011, 07:57 PM

Thanks my Hornady manual does not list any H110 loads for 110 grain bullets.

Sidewinder72 · August 25, 2011, 09:55 PM

I just checked Lymans, Hornady and speer. They list powders like bullseye, 231, blue dot. Definately not 296 powder. I never shoot lighter than 125, but mainly 158.

Clark · August 26, 2011, 09:58 AM

"Speer 10" 1979 lists 110 gr JHP 357 mag H110 21 gr to 23 gr mag primer.

I have experimented with H110 reduced loads in revolvers.
If the primer goes off, but the powder does not, the bullet can lodge in the forcing cone, and the revolver will not turn, nor will it swing out. The bullet needs to be pounded back with a pencil or some other long soft object. This no good in an emergency.

But if I use a serious roll crimp of the case mouth into the bullet cannelure, I can typically get half charge loads to shoot well.

spacecoast · August 26, 2011, 10:14 AM

Don't forget, magnum primers are highly recommended for H110 (primer used is visible if you press the Print button on the Hodgdon site).

mavracer · August 26, 2011, 11:21 AM

I bet they'll be humming out of a rifle I loaded some 125s with IIRC 20.0 of WW296 and they chrono'd 2125 fps from my 24" marlin.
If you have a chance touch off a couple of those out of a snub late in the evening for a WOW factor.

243winxb · August 26, 2011, 12:32 PM

Always use a magnum primer with H110 & W296 powders

Red Eye · August 27, 2011, 07:36 AM

Are you the same "Deja Vu" that posts on the SASS wire ?? If so, can I assume that you're talking about cast/lead 110 gr. bullets that we use in CAS??
I have 3 manuals; Hornady, Lyman and Hodgdon......none of these recommend useing H110 with that light of a lead bullet, bad ju-ju. Lowest weight cast bullet is 148 gr and higher. If you were determined to try it, I'm pretty sure it would at least "lead" the barrel badly.
If you're useing JHP/JSP. fine, NOT cast/lead.
I would not try that gr. lead bullet with H110; my opinion only.......YMMV

Red Eye

Red Eye · August 27, 2011, 07:42 AM

Are you the same "Deja Vu" that posts on the SASS wire ?? If so, can I assume that you're talking about cast/lead 110 gr. bullets that we use in CAS??
I have 3 manuals; Hornady, Lyman and Hodgdon......none of these recommend useing H110 with that light of a lead bullet, bad ju-ju. Lowest weight cast bullet is 148 gr and higher. If you were determined to try it, I'm pretty sure it would at least "lead" the barrel badly.
If you're useing JHP/JSP. fine, NOT cast/lead.
I would not try that gr. lead bullet with H110; my opinion only.......YMMV

Red Eye

oops.sorry for the double post; hit it twice........LOL

Deja vu · August 31, 2011, 08:36 AM

No I am not that person. I am thinking of using SJHP 110 grain ammo. Its just stuff I found in my fathers garage... 650 rounds of it and 3 lbs of powder

AlaskaMike · August 31, 2011, 01:32 PM

Most of what's already been said here is good general advice when using H110/296.

If you're only looking to bag pop cans and the odd rodent, then I'd save the H110 for something else. Instead, I'd use a powder like Power Pistol, Unique, Universal, AA5 or 231. Using 20+ grains of powder for plinking is kind of a waste, even if you have a large quantity of it.

Mike

August 25, 2011, 06:37 PM	#1
Deja vu Senior Member Join Date: March 14, 2010 Location: Border of Idaho & Montana Posts: 2,584	357 magnum 110 grain with H110 loads? I have done a lot of shooting of my 1894 marlin. I have about 500 bullets in the 110 grain range. I all so have a large quantity of H110 powder (4 LBS) I am wondering what a good load would be using this powder and these bullets? This is for a lever action so I don't have to worrie about flame cutting. I realise that a 110 grain bullet is light for a rifle but it will only be on paper (and pop cans) and may be a varmint here and there. __________________ Shot placement is everything! I would rather take a round of 50BMG to the foot than a 22short to the base of the skull. all 26 of my guns are 45/70 govt, 357 mag, 22 or 12 ga... I believe in keeping it simple. Wish my wife did as well...

August 25, 2011, 07:57 PM	#4
Deja vu Senior Member Join Date: March 14, 2010 Location: Border of Idaho & Montana Posts: 2,584	Thanks my Hornady manual does not list any H110 loads for 110 grain bullets. __________________ Shot placement is everything! I would rather take a round of 50BMG to the foot than a 22short to the base of the skull. all 26 of my guns are 45/70 govt, 357 mag, 22 or 12 ga... I believe in keeping it simple. Wish my wife did as well...

August 26, 2011, 09:58 AM	#6
Clark Senior Member Join Date: December 4, 1999 Location: WA, the ever blue state Posts: 4,678	"Speer 10" 1979 lists 110 gr JHP 357 mag H110 21 gr to 23 gr mag primer. I have experimented with H110 reduced loads in revolvers. If the primer goes off, but the powder does not, the bullet can lodge in the forcing cone, and the revolver will not turn, nor will it swing out. The bullet needs to be pounded back with a pencil or some other long soft object. This no good in an emergency. But if I use a serious roll crimp of the case mouth into the bullet cannelure, I can typically get half charge loads to shoot well. __________________ The word 'forum" does not mean "not criticizing books." "Ad hominem fallacy" is not the same as point by point criticism of books. If you bought the book, and believe it all, it may FEEL like an ad hominem attack, but you might strive to accept other points of view may exist. Are we a nation of competing ideas, or a nation of forced conformity of thought?

August 27, 2011, 07:36 AM	#10
Red Eye Member Join Date: February 1, 2011 Location: Balto., MD. Posts: 40	Are you the same "Deja Vu" that posts on the SASS wire ?? If so, can I assume that you're talking about cast/lead 110 gr. bullets that we use in CAS?? I have 3 manuals; Hornady, Lyman and Hodgdon......none of these recommend useing H110 with that light of a lead bullet, bad ju-ju. Lowest weight cast bullet is 148 gr and higher. If you were determined to try it, I'm pretty sure it would at least "lead" the barrel badly. If you're useing JHP/JSP. fine, NOT cast/lead. I would not try that gr. lead bullet with H110; my opinion only.......YMMV Red Eye Last edited by Red Eye; August 27, 2011 at 08:57 PM.

August 27, 2011, 07:42 AM	#11
Red Eye Member Join Date: February 1, 2011 Location: Balto., MD. Posts: 40	Are you the same "Deja Vu" that posts on the SASS wire ?? If so, can I assume that you're talking about cast/lead 110 gr. bullets that we use in CAS?? I have 3 manuals; Hornady, Lyman and Hodgdon......none of these recommend useing H110 with that light of a lead bullet, bad ju-ju. Lowest weight cast bullet is 148 gr and higher. If you were determined to try it, I'm pretty sure it would at least "lead" the barrel badly. If you're useing JHP/JSP. fine, NOT cast/lead. I would not try that gr. lead bullet with H110; my opinion only.......YMMV Red Eye oops.sorry for the double post; hit it twice........LOL Last edited by Red Eye; August 27, 2011 at 08:57 PM.

August 25, 2011, 07:02 PM	#2
Sidewinder72 Senior Member Join Date: November 25, 2008 Location: Kansas Posts: 130	My loadbook says start at 17.8 end at 20.6. That is for a jacketed bullet, not for cast.

August 25, 2011, 09:55 PM	#5
Sidewinder72 Senior Member Join Date: November 25, 2008 Location: Kansas Posts: 130	I just checked Lymans, Hornady and speer. They list powders like bullseye, 231, blue dot. Definately not 296 powder. I never shoot lighter than 125, but mainly 158.

August 26, 2011, 10:14 AM	#7
spacecoast Senior Member Join Date: October 14, 2009 Location: Sunshine and Keystone States Posts: 4,461	Don't forget, magnum primers are highly recommended for H110 (primer used is visible if you press the Print button on the Hodgdon site).

August 26, 2011, 12:32 PM	#9
243winxb Senior Member Join Date: July 26, 2011 Location: USA Posts: 1,730	Always use a magnum primer with H110 & W296 powders

August 31, 2011, 08:36 AM	#12
Deja vu Senior Member Join Date: March 14, 2010 Location: Border of Idaho & Montana Posts: 2,584	No I am not that person. I am thinking of using SJHP 110 grain ammo. Its just stuff I found in my fathers garage... 650 rounds of it and 3 lbs of powder __________________ Shot placement is everything! I would rather take a round of 50BMG to the foot than a 22short to the base of the skull. all 26 of my guns are 45/70 govt, 357 mag, 22 or 12 ga... I believe in keeping it simple. Wish my wife did as well...

August 31, 2011, 01:32 PM	#13
AlaskaMike Senior Member Join Date: September 26, 2005 Posts: 943	Most of what's already been said here is good general advice when using H110/296. If you're only looking to bag pop cans and the odd rodent, then I'd save the H110 for something else. Instead, I'd use a powder like Power Pistol, Unique, Universal, AA5 or 231. Using 20+ grains of powder for plinking is kind of a waste, even if you have a large quantity of it. Mike