45-70 question?

SSG-Gibb · June 28, 2009, 02:29 AM

Someone told me about being able to use a 3 round ball load for a 47-70. I have a 1895 Marlin. The concetp sounds sound I would just like to know if anyone has heard of this, any information or insite would be helpfull.

Smokin_Gun · June 28, 2009, 09:00 AM

Never heard of that in a Lever Cartridge Gun...But in a ,45, .50, .or .54 ML rifle I have ... I have tested a Deer load in my .50 cals...one powder charge of 60gr and one patched ball atop the 1st one you place a second one. works great about an 8-10" spread at 100yards.
But I wouldn't try that in a Cartridge gun ...

Mk VII · June 29, 2009, 02:36 PM

There was a three-ball Guard Cartridge for the military. It was a fifty yard load, as I recall. I tried making some once for the Trapdoor. The recipe is in Spencer Wolfe's book.

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Frankford Arsenal, Union Metallic Cartridge (UMC) Company, and Remington each produced triplex multiball loads. Based on the work of Capt. E.M. Wright, the Frankford Arsenal loads used three 133 grain round balls and 45 grains of black powder. Examples of these have been found using a copper case and the Benét Cup Inside Primer. The UMC multiball loads date from 1902-03 and use conventional primers and brass cases. (It is alleged that UMC only provided the cases, and Frankford manufactured the rounds in question.) Remington produced two million multiball cartridges during 1917 as old Springfield Trapdoors were being reissued to guards at various military installations.

http://www.thegunzone.com/salvo.html

Smokin_Gun · June 29, 2009, 06:34 PM

Interesting read that's for the info for my database...

SSG-Gibb · July 1, 2009, 05:15 AM

MK VII Much obliged! If that was out of a old trapdoor it SHOULD be ok to try out of a modern Marlin then right?

Mk VII · July 1, 2009, 05:32 AM

Well, it's certainly got the strength. Whether the rifling is right for BP I don't know, but then one or two to satisfy curiosity won't hurt. I think they promised the three balls should strike in an 18" circle at 50yds.

SSG-Gibb · July 1, 2009, 05:42 AM

Sounds like a plan!

I'll give it a shot as soon as I get out of this sand box:barf: Thanks again.

arcticap · July 17, 2009, 01:26 AM

Two 70 grain round balls loaded into a .38 Special case for law enforcement use only!
What will they think of next?

June 28, 2009, 02:29 AM	#1
SSG-Gibb Member Join Date: June 25, 2009 Location: The Free state (For now) of PA Posts: 60	45-70 question? Someone told me about being able to use a 3 round ball load for a 47-70. I have a 1895 Marlin. The concetp sounds sound I would just like to know if anyone has heard of this, any information or insite would be helpfull. Last edited by SSG-Gibb; June 28, 2009 at 02:38 AM.

June 28, 2009, 09:00 AM	#2
Smokin_Gun Senior Member Join Date: December 4, 2005 Location: Mojave Desert, CA Posts: 1,195	Never heard of that in a Lever Cartridge Gun...But in a ,45, .50, .or .54 ML rifle I have ... I have tested a Deer load in my .50 cals...one powder charge of 60gr and one patched ball atop the 1st one you place a second one. works great about an 8-10" spread at 100yards. But I wouldn't try that in a Cartridge gun ... __________________ "I Smoke Black Powder" "Favor an 1858 Remington" SGT. Smokin' Gun, Mosby's Rangers 43rd Virginia Cavalry C.S.A. SASS# 19634, ... Admin:http://blackpowdersmoke.com/oldcoots/index.php

June 29, 2009, 06:34 PM	#4
Smokin_Gun Senior Member Join Date: December 4, 2005 Location: Mojave Desert, CA Posts: 1,195	Interesting read that's for the info for my database... __________________ "I Smoke Black Powder" "Favor an 1858 Remington" SGT. Smokin' Gun, Mosby's Rangers 43rd Virginia Cavalry C.S.A. SASS# 19634, ... Admin:http://blackpowdersmoke.com/oldcoots/index.php

July 1, 2009, 05:15 AM	#5
SSG-Gibb Member Join Date: June 25, 2009 Location: The Free state (For now) of PA Posts: 60	MK VII Much obliged! If that was out of a old trapdoor it SHOULD be ok to try out of a modern Marlin then right?

July 1, 2009, 05:32 AM	#6
Mk VII Senior Member Join Date: November 23, 2000 Location: England Posts: 455	Well, it's certainly got the strength. Whether the rifling is right for BP I don't know, but then one or two to satisfy curiosity won't hurt. I think they promised the three balls should strike in an 18" circle at 50yds.

July 1, 2009, 05:42 AM	#7
SSG-Gibb Member Join Date: June 25, 2009 Location: The Free state (For now) of PA Posts: 60	Sounds like a plan! I'll give it a shot as soon as I get out of this sand box:barf: Thanks again.