No sure thing !

mete · August 16, 2010, 02:14 AM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38718428/ns/us_news/

This is an interesting story showing that there is no sure thing when it comes to being shot .Hit twenty times he is discharged from the hospital a week later.

It also shows that it's dangerous to be near a gunfight as three bystanders were hit and two officers. One officer was hit by another officer !!!
So forget the idea that you can instantly stop and instantly kill a B G .

Ray33 · August 16, 2010, 10:39 AM

This guy must have been on PCP or a similar drug that's the only way he could survive this. I heard a story about a guy on PCP who was beheaded with an axe and survived long enough to take the axe out of the executioner's hand and kill him with it.

Rampant_Colt · August 16, 2010, 10:55 AM

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I heard a story about a guy on PCP who was beheaded with an axe and survived long enough to take the axe out of the executioner's hand and kill him with it.

demigod · August 16, 2010, 11:19 AM

Discharged a week later?

Must not have required any kind of major surgury to repair serious wounds. Bullets that don't hit vitals can't be expected to perform miracles.

They should have fired SteelHawk bullets at the bad guy.

Ray33 · August 16, 2010, 12:34 PM

Rampant Colt,

What is so funny about my post? I don't see how it should be shocking that the incident i refered to happened. There's nothing someone motivated and on certain drugs can't accomplish.

5.56RifleGuy · August 16, 2010, 12:39 PM

I suppose he got all of the messages out to his muscles before the command central nervious system was completely cut off his body.

Rampant_Colt · August 16, 2010, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Ray33

Rampant Colt,

What is so funny about my post? I don't see how it should be shocking that the incident i refered to happened. There's nothing someone motivated and on certain drugs can't accomplish

Surely you can't be serious

TheGoldenState · August 16, 2010, 01:02 PM

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What is so funny about my post? I don't see how it should be shocking that the incident i refered to happened. There's nothing someone motivated and on certain drugs can't accomplish

Is the joke still going

Glenn E. Meyer · August 16, 2010, 01:03 PM

And don't call him Shirley!

The guy had peripheral wounds. No brains or major blood vessels blown out , according to other sources.

Your head lives for about 17 sec after being cut off. Or so I read in some study.

Rampant_Colt · August 16, 2010, 01:08 PM

There's no way a beheaded guy took the axe away from the executioner and killed 'em with it▬PCP or not

..and where did this alleged beheading take place, Iran? Saudi Arabia? Why was the person being executed tweaked on PCP?

It's plausible that a person was shot 20 times and survived.. I thought Ray33 was joking in his first post

And stop calling me Shirley!

TheGoldenState · August 16, 2010, 01:10 PM

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There's no way a beheaded guy took the axe away from the executioner and killed 'em with it▬PCP or not

Ever seen the movie Don't Mess With a Zohan?

montelores · August 16, 2010, 01:16 PM

"Your head lives for about 17 sec after being cut off. Or so I read in some study."

So how does the head hold the axe?

Monty

Sefner · August 16, 2010, 01:30 PM

I thought the axe thing was a joke, too

Glenn, how does one prove that the head lives after it is beheaded? And what defines "live"? 17 seconds is enough time for a beheaded head to think "Damn that hurt. Oh hey I'm - OW! Falling to the ground hurt more than the axe! This is nothing like the movies! Well... nothing to do except be a head now, I guess... soo... I hope that revolution thing works out ok. That Louis guy behind me in line seemed really ****** about something. I wonder what it was. Kept muttering something about the number 16. I wish I would stop rolling around down here, dirt keeps getting in my mouth. Oh well, not like I have much longer to live. Sure is -"

Anyways

Can the head feel anything, is it capable of thought? Maybe if the head is on PCP it can live for 30 or 60 seconds.

Delaware_Dan · August 16, 2010, 01:52 PM

The article says wounded 20 times, not SHOT 20 times. Some of said wounds could have come from the fight.

Glenn E. Meyer · August 16, 2010, 02:17 PM

Supposedly, a French scientist who was going to be beheaded said that he would practice blinking at a rate of one per second. This was because there were previous reports that some heads had made interpretable lip movements after the axe.

When he got the blade, he blinked 13 times or so.

Later, studies were done to see the pain of various methods of execution. This was to determine if a particular method was a cruel and unusual punishment - Constitution, you know. Various methods were tried on sheep. Supposedly, again, EEG readings were taken from sheep that were beheaded and they showed activity that you would see from a conscious noggin out to 17 seconds. BAAAAH!

I make no claims about the science behind this - might be baloney. Someone can research it.

Rampant_Colt · August 16, 2010, 02:35 PM

I wonder how many times Samurais fought with headless opponents after they were beheaded in battle..

Perhaps the brain may function for a few seconds after being severed while blood is still in the brain vessels, but the motor functions of the body should immediately cease once the spine is severed from the brain stem▬especially standing and fighting back, which requires balance and hand/eye coordination!

There are plenty of stories out there of people getting shot multiple times before expiring or ceasing hostile actions due to blood loss. Rifles included. Many times the victim was shot with FMJ bullets or riddled with tiny birdshot, further decreasing the chance for fatal injuries.

Glenn E. Meyer · August 16, 2010, 02:40 PM

Depends on spinal reflex paths. I forget this stuff. I'm not sure there is enough control in mammalian spinal stuff to keep you up.

Ok - talked to the neuroscientist next door, unless the decapitation left a touch of brain stem, you are dropping and no coordinated action. With a touch of brain stem, you might last a bit.

cracked91 · August 16, 2010, 02:47 PM

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There's nothing someone motivated and on certain drugs can't accomplish.

There are plenty of things they can't accomplish. PCP and/or similar drugs do not turn people superhuman. They just have the ability to keep certain messages from the body getting back to the brain for a period of time. Messages like, "you have been shot in the chest and stomach 6 times, all your organs are dead." The muscles will still retain enough oxygen for a short amount of time to continue to fight.

As for the beheaded body chopping off the executioners head. . .

Did you actually think about what you are claiming?

What you are inferring is that certain drugs can create a telepathic link between the head and body, even when severed.

The spinal cord delivers all messages from the brain to the body. Damage to the spinal cord is generally what causes paralysis. If it is severed, there can be no more communication period.

Im not going to pretend I have any idea how long a human head might live after being severed, but I do know, that there is absolutely no way a headless body could act on its own. And there is no way a bodyless head could do anything harmful.

markj · August 16, 2010, 02:57 PM

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I heard a story about a guy on PCP who was beheaded with an axe and survived long enough to take the axe out of the executioner's hand and kill him with it.

Gotta be true, I red it in the internets....

My nephew is in Afganistan, was in a fire fight a few weeks ago, one guy was shot in his eye, exited out the temple. He is doing OK cept for the eye sight. My nephews buddy (joined together) was killed tho. Nephew is ok and back in the command center or base. Not all head wounds kill.

but I do belive when the entire head is cut off the body has no control.

I have seen head shot animals move and twitch for awhile, not one got up and took the gun from me tho. Am I on borrowed time there?

BGutzman · August 16, 2010, 03:00 PM

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Hit twenty times he is discharged from the hospital a week later.

I understand this really happened... But exactly how many volunteers to get hit with 20 shots from a 45 are out there?

This story doesnt give enough details to draw any conclusions other than the person who got hit was being shot at by people who couldnt shoot or it was this persons lucky day, possibly both.

Practice, practice and practice some more & buy enough gun and the appropriate bullets for the job at hand.

m&p45acp10+1 · August 16, 2010, 06:08 PM

As far as the discharged after a week part. You would be amazed at what good doctors can do. I was hit in the chest from a few feet away with a 12 ga sawed off. It was a miracle I survived. I was home 6 days later. Sore as all get out, but I was home none the less. 2 days after the chest tubes came out I was good to go home.
PS I have the story of that in my post history with the picture to back it up.

mete · August 16, 2010, 07:53 PM

IIRC it's adenosine triphosphate that keeps a chicken going after you cut it's head off ! I'll have to warm up my kukri to see if it also works for people .

shafter · August 16, 2010, 08:03 PM

History's full of stories of guys who got shot to doll rags and kept coming.

Sport45 · August 16, 2010, 08:35 PM

Here's a link to m&p45's story. Just to save other folks from having to search...

As far as the head controlling the body after it's been severed I know it can happen. I saw it on one of those pirate movies!

grey sky · August 16, 2010, 08:53 PM

Sabouro Sakai Japanes pilot shot in the eye with a 30-06 (exiting out the back) Leaving him paralized on the left side, flew his plane home and lived to fly again also survived the Hiroshima bomb. During the French revolution observers would snach heads from the guilotine's basket to find some still looking around grusome to say the least.

August 16, 2010, 02:14 AM	#1
mete Senior Member Join Date: June 14, 2004 Location: NY State Posts: 6,575	No sure thing ! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38718428/ns/us_news/ This is an interesting story showing that there is no sure thing when it comes to being shot .Hit twenty times he is discharged from the hospital a week later. It also shows that it's dangerous to be near a gunfight as three bystanders were hit and two officers. One officer was hit by another officer !!! So forget the idea that you can instantly stop and instantly kill a B G . __________________ And Watson , bring your revolver !

August 16, 2010, 12:34 PM	#5
Ray33 Member Join Date: June 17, 2010 Posts: 33	Rampant Colt, What is so funny about my post? I don't see how it should be shocking that the incident i refered to happened. There's nothing someone motivated and on certain drugs can't accomplish. Last edited by Ray33; August 16, 2010 at 01:25 PM.

August 16, 2010, 01:03 PM	#9
Glenn E. Meyer Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 20,064	And don't call him Shirley! The guy had peripheral wounds. No brains or major blood vessels blown out , according to other sources. Your head lives for about 17 sec after being cut off. Or so I read in some study. __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. - Aux Armes, Citoyens

August 16, 2010, 01:08 PM	#10
Rampant_Colt Senior Member Join Date: March 17, 2006 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 1,478	Ray33 There's no way a beheaded guy took the axe away from the executioner and killed 'em with it▬PCP or not ..and where did this alleged beheading take place, Iran? Saudi Arabia? Why was the person being executed tweaked on PCP? It's plausible that a person was shot 20 times and survived.. I thought Ray33 was joking in his first post And stop calling me Shirley! __________________ member of an elite paramilitary organization: Eagle Scouts

August 16, 2010, 01:30 PM	#13
Sefner Senior Member Join Date: June 24, 2009 Location: Michigan Posts: 769	I thought the axe thing was a joke, too Glenn, how does one prove that the head lives after it is beheaded? And what defines "live"? 17 seconds is enough time for a beheaded head to think "Damn that hurt. Oh hey I'm - OW! Falling to the ground hurt more than the axe! This is nothing like the movies! Well... nothing to do except be a head now, I guess... soo... I hope that revolution thing works out ok. That Louis guy behind me in line seemed really ****** about something. I wonder what it was. Kept muttering something about the number 16. I wish I would stop rolling around down here, dirt keeps getting in my mouth. Oh well, not like I have much longer to live. Sure is -" Anyways Can the head feel anything, is it capable of thought? Maybe if the head is on PCP it can live for 30 or 60 seconds. __________________ gtalk:renfes steamID: Sefner

August 16, 2010, 10:39 AM	#2
Ray33 Member Join Date: June 17, 2010 Posts: 33	This guy must have been on PCP or a similar drug that's the only way he could survive this. I heard a story about a guy on PCP who was beheaded with an axe and survived long enough to take the axe out of the executioner's hand and kill him with it.

August 16, 2010, 11:19 AM	#4
demigod Junior member Join Date: March 13, 2008 Location: AZ Posts: 1,129	Discharged a week later? Must not have required any kind of major surgury to repair serious wounds. Bullets that don't hit vitals can't be expected to perform miracles. They should have fired SteelHawk bullets at the bad guy.

August 16, 2010, 12:39 PM	#6
5.56RifleGuy Senior Member Join Date: May 9, 2010 Location: USA Posts: 1,212	I suppose he got all of the messages out to his muscles before the command central nervious system was completely cut off his body.

August 16, 2010, 01:16 PM	#12
montelores Senior Member Join Date: January 2, 2009 Posts: 239	"Your head lives for about 17 sec after being cut off. Or so I read in some study." So how does the head hold the axe? Monty

August 16, 2010, 01:52 PM	#14
Delaware_Dan Senior Member Join Date: February 15, 2008 Posts: 1,304	The article says wounded 20 times, not SHOT 20 times. Some of said wounds could have come from the fight. __________________ To hell with circumstances. I create opportunities. -Bruce Lee

August 16, 2010, 02:17 PM	#15
Glenn E. Meyer Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 20,064	Supposedly, a French scientist who was going to be beheaded said that he would practice blinking at a rate of one per second. This was because there were previous reports that some heads had made interpretable lip movements after the axe. When he got the blade, he blinked 13 times or so. Later, studies were done to see the pain of various methods of execution. This was to determine if a particular method was a cruel and unusual punishment - Constitution, you know. Various methods were tried on sheep. Supposedly, again, EEG readings were taken from sheep that were beheaded and they showed activity that you would see from a conscious noggin out to 17 seconds. BAAAAH! I make no claims about the science behind this - might be baloney. Someone can research it. __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. - Aux Armes, Citoyens

August 16, 2010, 02:35 PM	#16
Rampant_Colt Senior Member Join Date: March 17, 2006 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 1,478	I wonder how many times Samurais fought with headless opponents after they were beheaded in battle.. Perhaps the brain may function for a few seconds after being severed while blood is still in the brain vessels, but the motor functions of the body should immediately cease once the spine is severed from the brain stem▬especially standing and fighting back, which requires balance and hand/eye coordination! There are plenty of stories out there of people getting shot multiple times before expiring or ceasing hostile actions due to blood loss. Rifles included. Many times the victim was shot with FMJ bullets or riddled with tiny birdshot, further decreasing the chance for fatal injuries.

August 16, 2010, 02:40 PM	#17
Glenn E. Meyer Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 20,064	Depends on spinal reflex paths. I forget this stuff. I'm not sure there is enough control in mammalian spinal stuff to keep you up. Ok - talked to the neuroscientist next door, unless the decapitation left a touch of brain stem, you are dropping and no coordinated action. With a touch of brain stem, you might last a bit. __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. - Aux Armes, Citoyens

August 16, 2010, 06:08 PM	#21
m&p45acp10+1 Senior Member Join Date: May 3, 2009 Location: Central Texas Posts: 3,930	As far as the discharged after a week part. You would be amazed at what good doctors can do. I was hit in the chest from a few feet away with a 12 ga sawed off. It was a miracle I survived. I was home 6 days later. Sore as all get out, but I was home none the less. 2 days after the chest tubes came out I was good to go home. PS I have the story of that in my post history with the picture to back it up. __________________ No matter how many times you do it and nothing happens it only takes something going wrong one time to kill you.

August 16, 2010, 07:53 PM	#22
mete Senior Member Join Date: June 14, 2004 Location: NY State Posts: 6,575	IIRC it's adenosine triphosphate that keeps a chicken going after you cut it's head off ! I'll have to warm up my kukri to see if it also works for people . __________________ And Watson , bring your revolver !

August 16, 2010, 08:03 PM	#23
shafter Senior Member Join Date: December 23, 2009 Posts: 1,624	History's full of stories of guys who got shot to doll rags and kept coming.

August 16, 2010, 08:35 PM	#24
Sport45 Senior Member Join Date: May 25, 1999 Location: Too close to Houston Posts: 4,196	Here's a link to m&p45's story. Just to save other folks from having to search... As far as the head controlling the body after it's been severed I know it can happen. I saw it on one of those pirate movies! __________________ Proud member of the NRA and Texas State Rifle Association. Registered and active voter.

August 16, 2010, 08:53 PM	#25
grey sky Senior Member Join Date: July 2, 2007 Posts: 324	Google this Sabouro Sakai Japanes pilot shot in the eye with a 30-06 (exiting out the back) Leaving him paralized on the left side, flew his plane home and lived to fly again also survived the Hiroshima bomb. During the French revolution observers would snach heads from the guilotine's basket to find some still looking around grusome to say the least.