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June 23, 2008, 09:00 AM | #1 |
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SCOTUS Heller Update 6/23/08 - Is There a Decision?
This thread is for up-to-the-minute reports from the SCOTUS on the Heller vs. DC case.
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June 23, 2008, 09:09 AM | #2 |
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Here's a link to scotusblog which has up to the minute info. So far the Heller decision hasn't been released.
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June 23, 2008, 09:12 AM | #3 |
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3 today, not heller
10:12 Tom Goldstein - The only opinion remaining from the March sitting is Heller. The only Justice without a majority opinion from that sitting is Justice Scalia.
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There is no decision today.
They may make a special announcement later this week. Perhaps Wednesday or Thursday. I'm starting to think they may wait until after the recess to announce their decision.
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June 23, 2008, 09:13 AM | #5 |
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According to the blog Heller wasn't released today. Next session will be Wed. probably. Saving the biggest for last I guess.
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June 23, 2008, 09:15 AM | #6 |
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The Court has announced that it will release opinions at 10am Wednesday. This almost certainly means they will also be releasing opinions on Thursday as well.
Hold on to your hats, boys and girls, there's plenty of hills left on this roller coaster.
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June 23, 2008, 09:38 AM | #7 |
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Cant wait for the 5 people in black to tell me how my "God given" Right will be further regulated by the "state"
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I don't follow the detailed time line. Is it possible for them to delay until after the election?
Maybe, there are some that think a decision might impact the race in a way they don't like? Just asking.
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2. I believe they have issued decisions by the end of June for the entire session for the last 30 years. I see no reason for them not to do so now. I do see them holding back until the last moment for this session to issue what will be the most controversial ruling in order for them to get out of dodge and avoid the press as quickly as possible.
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What cowards.
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June 23, 2008, 11:17 AM | #13 |
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The NRA sends me all kinds of literature about Obama being a threat to the RKBA. If Heller was strongly proRKBA then would not that argument against Obama be somewhat neutralized.
Obama could say that the issue is decided and then folks who were favorable to him except for the RKBA would have their single issue fixation negated. This would be bad for the GOP. Perhaps, Scalia, Alito, Robers and Thomas might want to avoid this. Just a tinhat throwout for the arena!
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Nope, not an issue. Heller can be as pro RKBA as it can possibly be and there will still be a fight. Even if all the existing laws were swept off the books, and I hope they will be, there will still be the battle over how to get them off the books. The opposition has no plan of giving up.
Post Heller, one way or the other, the pro RKBA effort needs to focus on wiping out the anti RKBA. Not debating, not delaying or thwarting, but making it not exist. Defamation, libel, harassment, and slander suits against antis, abuse of process prosecution of CLEOs, oppression and possibly treason charges against various mayors, yank VPC, LCAV, and Brady tax exempt status and investigate them for all manner of unlawful activities and sue them bankrupt, social and financial ostracism of Brady supporters, and pull out all the stops in investigating all anti 2A legislators for all the crimes politicians are routinely guilty of and throw the book at them. FOR STARTERS. Basically make them not exist exactly the same way they want us not to exist. Don't think for one billionth of a second that their end goal is anything less than to not have a single legal civilian firearms owner in the US. To win--and that is not optional--our goal must be no less than to do the same to them.
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Who exactly are you talking about?
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The judges for delaying this and making it anything more complicated than immediate and clear cut, for not being just straightforward and to the point about it.
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I'm sorry, but you are not making any sense. What makes you think they are delaying the decision? They haven't released *anything* so how can you say they are not being straightforward and to the point? It's like you've placed your order at the drive-thru and are complaining because you have to pull forward to get your food. That's just how things work. Do you know anything about the history of the court or how they go about releasing opinions? Morgan-Stanley v. Public Utility District #1 (06-1457) was argued on February 19 and hasn't been decided yet. Exxon v. Baker (07-219) was argued February 26 and hasn't been decided yet. DC v. Heller (07-290) was argued on March 18 and hasn't been decided yet. Why aren't you complaining about the Exxon delay? Calling the justices "cowards" is completely out-of-bounds as far as I'm concerned. Here's some more information for you courtesy of SCOTUSblog.com . Quote:
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I suppose I should restructure and state that it only appears like they're trying to duck the issue, leave a post it note on the fridge and sneak out the back door by saving it for last and giving absolutely no clear advance notice when they could have affirmed it in ten minutes flat instead of 3 months. Maybe I'm merely unaware of literally millions of people waiting on Exxon v. Baker and Morgan Stanley v Public Utility District and the dozens, possibly hundreds of laws they will have bearing on concerning the rights denied to people in a half dozen states and territories with no effective redress of grievance in the last 70 years.
I can understand how the other two can't be figured out in 10 seconds by a 6 year old. The toes that need to be stepped on by a 10,000 lb dinosaur by declaring the RKBA an individual and absolute right need to be, and the Court and the country need to stop kissing the tail end of the antis and kick them to the curb like a pimple faced $50 Las Vegas hooker and quit acting like we owe their nonsense the time of day. Seriously. I know they have to sit through it and hear it but you, I, and everyone knows that the DC side has absolutely no merit to it even if you knew nothing about the subject beforehand. I don't care what prior and established political predispositions the judges have, this is a simple IQ test and nothing more, almost insulting to even have to be asked in the first place.
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So, I am very pathetic and have the rest of this week off, what's the best source for up to date info on the old boob tube? Will there be any live coverage on any of the major networks?
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My sense is, if it's affirmed (the lower court's opinion stands) it will get less coverage on TV and more in print than if it's remanded. Glen Beck on CNN will be all over either decision with Nightline batting clean-up. Both venues will offer little substance. Wait a day after the opinion and search Google News for all the major paper reactions - pick the slant you want and read away! I'm sure the big guys already have their rebuke articles written for the expected ruling. |
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