Just submitted a question on CCW to the Texas DPS

Jim March · January 7, 2013, 11:05 PM

Direct quote (entered into their "contact us" web-form):

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I am considering moving to TX and will be applying for a CCW. I understand that in Texas, if you qualify with a revolver you are stuck with revolvers. My question is, what exactly constitutes a "revolver" over an autoloader? I ask because my "revolver" has automatic gas-powered extraction of empty shells (bouncing 9mm shells from a hammer-mounted deflector) and magazine feeding of fresh rounds. I'm quite serious here. See also:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4XtVldNbO4 - under TX rules, is this an "autoloader" or a "revolver" for purposes of CCW qualification?
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Yes, I'll post the reply.

dogtown tom · January 7, 2013, 11:44 PM

"Revolver" is defined in Federal law.

BTW Texas is full.

jimbob86 · January 8, 2013, 12:02 AM

Jim, while your "Auto-loading Rube Goldberg Revolver" is a wonderful thing just from an engineering standpoint ..... getting a Semi-auto and a Semi- auto permit would be less Rube Goldbergish and much more practical..... just sayin' .......

Quote:

BTW Texas is full

It wouldn't be if the Feds would enforce the immigration Laws.

RamItOne · January 8, 2013, 02:22 AM

Just buy a semi, what better excuse to buy a new gun.

A lot of the places will rent you a gun during their course. Never understood why someone would qualify on a revolver with our regulation about revolvers.

Plus think you'd have to convince the course instructor to call it a revolver.
Looks like an auto reloading gun not an auto loading gun. The next round isn't ready and lined up behind the barrel after you fire.

Jim March · January 8, 2013, 02:58 AM

Doesn't anybody see the comedy value here?

Hint: I'm not moving to Texas. I'll be passing through soon - on my way to Northern Alabama. But I'm not gonna be a Texan.

zincwarrior · January 8, 2013, 07:31 AM

Quote:

Direct quote (entered into their "contact us" web-form):

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I am considering moving to TX and will be applying for a CCW. I understand that in Texas, if you qualify with a revolver you are stuck with revolvers. My question is, what exactly constitutes a "revolver" over an autoloader? I ask because my "revolver" has automatic gas-powered extraction of empty shells (bouncing 9mm shells from a hammer-mounted deflector) and magazine feeding of fresh rounds. I'm quite serious here. See also:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4XtVldNbO4 - under TX rules, is this an "autoloader" or a "revolver" for purposes of CCW qualification?
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Yes, I'll post the reply.

Why on earth would they reply to you? It reads like you're trolling. EDIT: Now I see you were indeed trolling the DPS. Don't troll the DPS.

zincwarrior · January 8, 2013, 07:32 AM

Quote:

"Revolver" is defined in Federal law.

BTW Texas is full.
__________________

Agreed. Our California quota is backlogged for about ten years. Sorry.

Moby · January 8, 2013, 07:52 AM

I confess, I lived in CA for 18 years before moving to Texas.
Fear not, I'm a right wing conservative that couldn't stand
CA anymore. I LOVE Texas!!!

1-DAB · January 8, 2013, 11:48 AM

he couldn't find a nice quiet backyard and have someone take a better video? only made it thru about 60 seconds.

**Aguila Blanca** · January 8, 2013, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dogtown tom

"Revolver" is defined in Federal law.

But the Texas law (or regulation) about what you can carry if you qualify with a revolver is not a Federal law, so the Federal definition doesn't apply. Is "Revolver" defined in Texas statutes?

Jim March · January 8, 2013, 09:31 PM

Apparently some guy with one of those old Webley recoil-operated wheelguns from around WW1 got it declared *both* a revolver and a semi by the Texas DPS.

There actually is some merit to knowing whether it's declared a revolver or auto, no matter what state I'm in.

Wait...what exactly IS the Federal definition, anyhow?

jimbob86 · January 8, 2013, 11:04 PM

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"Revolver" is defined in Federal law.

You forget "Texas is "a whole 'nother Country."???

TheDoubleDeuce · January 8, 2013, 11:46 PM

I almost died laughing at two points in the video:

1) When you stuck the 9-round "magazine" into the back of it

2) When the sights fell off

It looks like you had a lot of fun designing and creating that... Beast! I wonder why John Browning didn't design his magazines that way?

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January 7, 2013, 11:05 PM	#1
Jim March Senior Member Join Date: February 14, 1999 Location: Pittsburg, CA, USA Posts: 7,417	Just submitted a question on CCW to the Texas DPS Direct quote (entered into their "contact us" web-form): --- I am considering moving to TX and will be applying for a CCW. I understand that in Texas, if you qualify with a revolver you are stuck with revolvers. My question is, what exactly constitutes a "revolver" over an autoloader? I ask because my "revolver" has automatic gas-powered extraction of empty shells (bouncing 9mm shells from a hammer-mounted deflector) and magazine feeding of fresh rounds. I'm quite serious here. See also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4XtVldNbO4 - under TX rules, is this an "autoloader" or a "revolver" for purposes of CCW qualification? --- Yes, I'll post the reply. __________________ Jim March

January 7, 2013, 11:44 PM	#2
dogtown tom Senior Member Join Date: January 23, 2006 Location: Plano, Texas Posts: 3,072	"Revolver" is defined in Federal law. BTW Texas is full. __________________ Need a FFL in Dallas/Plano/Allen/Frisco/McKinney ? Just EMAIL me. $20 transfers ($10 for CHL, active military,police,fire or schoolteachers) Plano, Texas...........the Gun Nut Capitol of Gun Culture, USA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pELwCqz2JfE

January 8, 2013, 02:22 AM	#4
RamItOne Senior Member Join Date: May 24, 2011 Posts: 990	Just buy a semi, what better excuse to buy a new gun. A lot of the places will rent you a gun during their course. Never understood why someone would qualify on a revolver with our regulation about revolvers. Plus think you'd have to convince the course instructor to call it a revolver. Looks like an auto reloading gun not an auto loading gun. The next round isn't ready and lined up behind the barrel after you fire. __________________ M&P- the other dark meat https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...rtant/DJyvnHz0 Last edited by RamItOne; January 8, 2013 at 02:27 AM.

January 8, 2013, 02:58 AM	#5
Jim March Senior Member Join Date: February 14, 1999 Location: Pittsburg, CA, USA Posts: 7,417	Doesn't anybody see the comedy value here? Hint: I'm not moving to Texas. I'll be passing through soon - on my way to Northern Alabama. But I'm not gonna be a Texan. __________________ Jim March

January 8, 2013, 07:52 AM	#8
Moby Member Join Date: November 11, 2012 Posts: 91	I confess, I lived in CA for 18 years before moving to Texas. Fear not, I'm a right wing conservative that couldn't stand CA anymore. I LOVE Texas!!! __________________ “A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.” ~George Washington US Coast Guard 76-86 Semper Paratus

January 8, 2013, 11:48 AM	#9
1-DAB Senior Member Join Date: May 5, 2010 Location: Santa Fe, NM Posts: 474	he couldn't find a nice quiet backyard and have someone take a better video? only made it thru about 60 seconds.

January 8, 2013, 09:31 PM	#11
Jim March Senior Member Join Date: February 14, 1999 Location: Pittsburg, CA, USA Posts: 7,417	Apparently some guy with one of those old Webley recoil-operated wheelguns from around WW1 got it declared both a revolver and a semi by the Texas DPS. There actually is some merit to knowing whether it's declared a revolver or auto, no matter what state I'm in. Wait...what exactly IS the Federal definition, anyhow? __________________ Jim March

January 8, 2013, 11:46 PM	#13
TheDoubleDeuce Senior Member Join Date: January 8, 2013 Posts: 115	I almost died laughing at two points in the video: 1) When you stuck the 9-round "magazine" into the back of it 2) When the sights fell off It looks like you had a lot of fun designing and creating that... Beast! I wonder why John Browning didn't design his magazines that way? Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2

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