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March 7, 2011, 01:28 AM | #51 | |||||
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Moronic, I got kicked off the forums for calling you a clown, because you told some guy it was okay to shot a rifled slug with full choke. This is not fair, I am reporting you to TFL. Quote:
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It should matter what is being shot, of who the shooter is. I have Lutic Space gun, but sometimes I like to go out to trap/skeet club with my 9 shot Berreta 1201FP, all camoed up. The praise should be to the shooter, espically if he using a gun like a Saiga, because it is much more difficult to use in those kind of events.
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1)The OP and myself are not the same. 2)Did you ever suspect not only the fact that you haven't seen it but your irrationally negative attitude towards it is because you are in California? Open carry isn't legal there. It would be pretty ambiguous for a lot of folks there how that applies to the range and immediately adjacent to it. Surprised I had to point that one out for you. Quote:
Yes, that's just crazy enough to make perfect sense. As pointed out by others in this thread, you're trolling and continue demonstrating perfectly that I've never been around more anti-gun gun owners than at that trap shoot (I am not saying all trap shooters are, but that seemed to be the shot group they were shooting collectively without a doubt). Last edited by 10mmAuto; March 7, 2011 at 10:39 AM. |
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See, this is why I LOVE it! All these dudes get so flipped out over it and as long as you are safe and responsible who cares "what an appropriate shotgun" for the GAME is. Its a game... but when a tactical shotty shows up at a "super duper prestigious field with two plywood shacks" its like watching parents fight at their kids soccer game.
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The safety procedures for a carry gun are based on making the gun as safe as possible while maintaining it ready for unanticipated instantaneous service by a well trained individual. The shotgun club safety rules are intended to make the gun as safe as possible (unloaded with the action open for others to see) at the times the average individual is not actually on the firing station. Only when preparing to fire is the gun is loaded, and then with only one shell per target per presentation. With everyone following the rules, it's not the routine occurrences that pose the greater safety problems at the target range. It's the unexpected distractions that tend to make us forget the safety rules. If you get hit in the side of the head by a significantly sized target piece from an adjacent field your first thought isn't going to be, "Is my gun loaded, or not?" Why are newbies considered to be unfamiliar with the safety rules, because many of us remember being there. When first introduced to Skeet I shot a borrowed O/U. My next time out was with my new pump gun. As we squadded-up for station 2, I reckoned it would speed things up if I preloaded my gun while waiting my turn. As I started to stuffing shells into the mag, one of the old boys motioned me aside and explained the loading procedure. After completing the round, I actually took the time to read the big sign board with all those rules spelled out in bright red lettering. I was embarrassed to learn that I'd been an unformed newby. To this day, when at a new range (rifle, pistol or shotgun) I read the local rules before taking my guns out of the truck. When in Rome... Quote:
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March 7, 2011, 11:28 AM | #55 |
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Atleast when parents fight at the kids soccer game it's amusing, but fighting over this is stupid.
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March 7, 2011, 11:53 AM | #56 | |
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Color of the gun is no issue at all - we have had a few girls show up with their pink shotguns - they shot well, abided by all of the safety rules and had a great time. Guys with camo guns and HD guns show up as well - as long as you follow the safety rules, no one cares - what's so hard for you to follow in that regard? |
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March 7, 2011, 12:17 PM | #57 |
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Rottieman we should start a s12 clayshooting team
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Forgetting about you stalking horse argument, regardless of what some range officer said to allow it until complaints were made, what were the rules of the field and why did you feel a need to be exempted from them if you did? |
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March 7, 2011, 12:55 PM | #59 |
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Rottieman we should start a s12 clayshooting team |
March 7, 2011, 01:12 PM | #60 |
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It seems to me that the conflict here is about the "published and established rules of Skeet - and the safety rules that apply and are published" vs the mentality of a " Fun Shoot" ...that may or may not have anything to do with Skeet.
The published rules of Skeet are very plain - on no station, can you ever load more than 2 shells ( not in the mag or anywhere else). In some cases, you can only load one shell ( station 8 / or whenever you have one single target remaining - like an option ). The rules exist for everyones comfort and safety...and to ignore them / by the range or the shooters concerns me a lot. In a fun shoot ...3 shell shoots, all kinds of made-up hybrid games ...the club management can set whatever parameters they feel is appropriate / whatever safety standards they think apply ....but its not Skeet. At my club, on my squad, we make room for new shooters all the time - regardless of the types or styles of guns they shoot / tactical, etc on a Skeet squad. We do however insist the basic published safety rules are followed - no more than 2 shells, actions open, etc .. If a guy with a tactical shotgun can run 100 targets straight - I'll congratulate him or her - just like I would someone shooting a $ 25,000 Over Under... it makes no difference. At the same time - I have no place on my squad for rudeness...talking when someone else is shooting, bad attitudes, etc . / and while guys may not understand the rules ...most guys, with a comment here or there, are more than happy to show some respect to other members of the sqaud. ------------------------ This argument on carrying a handgun ...is interesting. All of the guys I shoot with in Skeet, Trap and Sporting Clays are pro-gun ...but none of us feel the need to wear a concealed weapon. Frankly it would make me nervous - if I saw it happen on a clays range ...because my impression is the person doing it "is just showing off". Its that "showing off" mentality ...that worries me the most ....as in --- what are they doing, is my safety at risk, are they stable, do I need to go put a holster on with my 1911 to make sure I'm safe...and none of that strikes me as a good idea. I shoot tactical handguns at least twice a week ... and I think there is a time and place for that ....vs the clay target ranges. Not wanting a bunch of handguns in holsters ...doesn't make me anti-gun... But in general, I think all putting a handgun on at a clays range is doing is either "showing off" or its ratcheting up the anxiety level of everyone else around them ...and not a good idea in my view. I'd suggest the person doing it ....really think it thru / and analyze what they're trying to accomplish. |
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+1 Jim - well said
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I'll leave it be, I find it amusing how fervently anti-carry oneonceload and JimB are. Obviously, there are different attitudes about carry in this nation amongst gun owners which is amusing. At the rifle range, nobody would have looked twice. Hell, even at Impact Guns nobody bats an eye. Clearly, we are all unstable up here in the mountain west. |
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March 7, 2011, 02:08 PM | #63 |
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I think i should clarify some thing. When I was shooting Sunday it was a practice shoot wasn't a game for points. 1 round we shot doubles so first 2 station I could load up 4 rounds in mag. 1 from high house 1 from low house then 1 from each house at the same time. And not once did i leave that station until bolt was open and mag was removed. And the 10 round mag was shot with permission from range master. The rules at your range may differ from mine. I know in the State of New Hampshire we are allowed to carry a loaded gun in the open. But this is my ? Is it posted at your range so that every one can see it that side arms are not allowed when skeet shooting. Do I carry when shooting skeet/trap no i don't but its not going to bother me if the guy next to me is, as long has he keeps it in the holster i have no problem. But for people flipping out about what went on Sunday with with me. You was not there so how can you say what we was not being safe, you assumed that we are a bunch of unsafe shooters cause of the type of gun I brought and had 10 round mag. Some people in here may think there the safest person in the world when it comes to guns control, There the worst cause they worry about what other people are doing and not what there doing. I put this post up to let people now how fun it was to skeet shoot with a Saiga 12 and what happens my post got bashed. I have seen people do unsafe stuff with guns and have told them nicely that I don't think that it's safe to do that, If they continue I just leave. But it all boils down to this I did nothing wrong the 10 round mag was approved by the range master at the end of the day when every body was done shooting. All the safety rules were followed. Not once was there anybody in danger or I would of stopped it.
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You want to carry at a rifle range? Go ahead, I have as well, ESPECIALLY at an open public piece of property with no RO and a bunch of young video-game commandos running around acting irresponsibly. That, however, is not a shotgun club. If you do not like their rules, go elsewhere |
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Loading more than 2 shells ....at any time ....on station 1 in "Skeet" is a clear violation of the published safety rules of Skeet !
In Skeet - we all shoot 4 targets at station 1. A single from each house / then a true pair.....but you cannot load 4 shells ...and be within the rules/you can only load 2 shells at one time !! By loading 4 shells ...you committed a clear safety violation ! ------------------------- Openly carrying a handgun in a holster ...in my opinion ....is clearly just showing off ....although why anyone would be that proud of a 10mm Glock is beyond me ...?? If you were carrying for any perceived "defensive situation" ...or just because you carry concealed all the time / then you would have made sure it was concealed .... not showing it off. I'd be curious to know if you have a concealed weapons permit .... -------------------------- As a Vietnam era vet ...I resent your implication .../although you're entitled to your opinion ....but I would have asked the Range Safety Officer to ask you to leave the range if you insisted on open carry - for my, and my fellow shooters, safety - because your intentions are certainly questionable. |
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If someone was carrying openly at a skeet range, I would assume it was for showing off as well. I have no problem with it tho, but its better off being concealed.
Part of the problem here is sterotyping and the fact that there are casual and competitive shooters colliding. No (real/serious) competitive shooter is going to show up to a skeet range with a Saiga 12. Just ain't gonna happen. So automatically when you do show up with one you get labeled as a casual noob shooter, possibly unsafe, don't know what you are doing, etc etc. Its a stereotype. Same stereotype could be (wrongfully) placed on someone shooting a pricey O/U that they are pro shooters, on top of safety, highly experienced. Anybody with a couple grand burning a hole in their swiss bank account can buy a pricey O/U, show up to a skeet range, and sweep the HECK out of a squad or two. Possibly injure OR KILL someone. |
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Its also not that big a deal - to just load 2 shells at a time ....and abide by the published safety rules of Skeet ....and then everyone is happy !
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This is what I am trying to tell you, your rules may be different then mine. Like the other guy said there are Hybrid games out there. But we still call it skeet. Your being so anal on a skeet shoot you keep going back to your rules, your rules do not apply to my game of skeet. This is why people get ******. you either shoot skeet your way or you don't do it at all. your not willing to open your mind up to try something different. And just so you know the person that shot my gun with a 10 round mag flies all over the USA to go to these big skeet shoots and has a $10,000 skeet gun. He told me if your shooting clays from left to right or right to left its still called skeet and it doesn't matter how you shoot the game. From reading what you have posted you sound like the type of guy if the person next to you pass gas you would want to retake the shot cause the sound and smell made you miss it.
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A holstered gun at a gun range? Scandalous.
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Every body keeps going back to the OFFICAL SKEET RULES. I played a Hybrid game of skeet. Is that so hard to understand.
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You're out of line Rottieman33 .....but then I'm not really surprised / given the rest of your comments and attitudes about the rules of Skeet .....
With all due respect to your friend shooting a $10K shotgun ....( and 10K or $25K shotguns on a Skeet field aren't uncommon - and it doesn't give him any extra credibility ) ....but its also clear he doesn't know what he's talking about / so I doubt he's a registered Skeet shooter or he would know better.. You can continue to do whatever you want - at least at that club ... ------------------------ but save your breath ....this conversations boring .... |
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How does the arguing continue are we in kindergarden.
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March 7, 2011, 03:29 PM | #75 |
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Bigjimp and oneounceshot there both Mr. know it all. there right and every body else is wrong. so sense i can't call it skeet what should I call it throwing lead a orange painted clay circles.
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