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November 28, 2012, 01:27 PM | #26 |
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When gun #1 fails you draw gun #2 and continue . That's called the "New York Reload " !!
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November 28, 2012, 03:02 PM | #27 |
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I’ve been really lucky with my ccw being 100% except for the “Taurus Incident”. In that case I got rid of the gun the next day (believe it or not Gander Mountain actually took it back). Other than that I’ve carried a Glock 26, Kimber UCII, SW1911, Glock 19, M&P9FS, and most recently, a SIG C3 1911. All of these guns have had 500+ flawless rounds of my chosen self-defense ammunition as well as varying amounts of range ammo. My C3 currently has a little over 900 rounds through it, 650 being Golden Saber.
If it were to fail tomorrow I don’t know what I would do. Would probably depend on the failure. I think my recourse would be to get the gun back to the factory and have them check it out and then maybe have my gunsmith look it over for good measure. It would have to be retested with more ammunition etc. Which is expensive. That’s the thing the warranties don’t help with, re-evaluating a firearm that has failed. I’m really glad that I haven’t had a problem outside of that Taurus mistake. |
November 28, 2012, 04:12 PM | #28 |
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I've had two malfunctions out of the approximately 1,000 rounds fired through my LCP. The first I was waiting for. I was seeing how many times I could take it to the range without cleaning or lubing it. I think I was at visit 3-4, around 200+ rounds in, when I had a case stick in the chamber. It was PMC Bronze FMJ. About 500 rounds later, I was introducing the pistol to a friend and shooting out my old carry ammo to put fresh in. A 102-grain Golden Saber nosed up in the feed ramp and jammed. Easily cleared, and since I've had plenty of the Saber feed perfectly, I'm pretty positive he limp-wristed it. I still keep the 102-grain Golden Saber loaded.
Neither malfunction troubles me. When I'm actually carrying it, I maintain it very exactingly, and I shoot with a firm, steady grip. I've had one malfunction from lip-writing with a friend's new Ruger SR9. I was getting used to the trigger and the shot took me by surprise, I limp-wristed BADLY, I was calling it a jam before I ever saw that it was, and sure enough, failure to eject. My failure rate has been exceedingly low. Of all the centerfire pistols I've ever shot, I think I've had 5-6 failures total in tens of thousands of rounds.
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November 28, 2012, 04:39 PM | #29 |
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To answer the OP's question, and not trying to sound snotty but I make it a point not to carry pistols that malfunction.
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November 29, 2012, 12:12 AM | #30 |
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To use an analogy...
If you're car throws a check engine light or even breaks down over the life of it not many people would sell it instantly. I fully understand that a gun is different and held to a much higher standard but, that said, they are both mechanical devices with a known and acceptable failure rate. Your acceptable rate may be above or below the median for each of those different machines but they are both machines plain and simple.
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November 29, 2012, 04:24 AM | #31 |
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I haven't had that problem but if I did I would clear it and continue firing.
If it was just a misfire I would fire the round again as in my experience a second firing pin strike on the primer will fire the round in most cases.
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False analogy. You use your car every single day. You don't with your gun. If you want to use that type of analogy. Use it with the air bag. Don't use it every day. It's there just in case you need it. Same as a gun. Comparing a gun to a car is false. Comparing a car to a safe is more like it. Again, airbag. Don't always use it..There when you may need it. You pray to whatever you hold sacred to not ever need it. |
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November 29, 2012, 10:13 AM | #33 |
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You guys with your 100% guns are living in a fairy tale world.Because all weapons can fail it is a fact of life.Practice your mal function drills and don't be caught with your pants down.Even revolvers can fail be prepared.My suggestion is to practice your mal functon drills and always carry a back up.
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I swap it out until I can diagnose and fix the problem. Your G19 seems to just need a new extractor.
Once that is done, I put about 200 rounds downrange to make sure the problem is fixed and carry it again. *I had the same problem with my G19. I replaced it with an M&P9 and now switch between carrying each, and throw a 1911 into the mix quite often as well. Last edited by allaroundhunter; November 30, 2012 at 10:10 AM. Reason: typo |
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November 29, 2012, 01:24 PM | #37 |
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Darn. Mine is relatively new too. With the "dot" connector. Oh well...Guess I'll give Glock a call. Or look at a local smith over here. I'm not in a rush.
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November 29, 2012, 04:36 PM | #38 |
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Clear the malfunction and drive on.
Analyze the malfunction. Sounds like ammo or magazine issue without delving deeper into it. Everything mechanical fails at some point and firearms are fairly complex. It is for this reason I carry a BUG.
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You maintain the gun as best you can, and if it acts up and there is not a damned good reason (you correct and then test and prove it), it goes into the hold group until resolved. Revolvers are probably (or were) more reliable than semi autos but they are not a guarantee though they sure don't have some failures. I have carried a gun with fewer than 200 rounds for CC as I felt good about how it did. Partly I go by feel and if I am wrong, so be it. I had one failure in a semi auto and that was a gun that was kept around and simply not lubed (at the range where it occurred). It was one of my keep around guns. It was huh?. Took it home, lubed, cleaned it and back to perfect function. Note to self, you can't just leave them unshot and unlubed for that long. Live and learn. No pat answer, do the best you can. |
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November 30, 2012, 06:58 PM | #42 |
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I had a few doubts when my new G26 stacked a few. Took a few more rounds to realize the wife only was having the issues. It was limp wristing and I was able to relax my wrist enough to duplicate the issue.
Thankfully, stacks and other FTF's have been few and far between with any of my pistols going back many years. Thankfully, I've never relied on the second or third shots, but I can clear it fast and naturally if necessary.
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Carrying a backup is not feasible for me, I'm a professional and even when I'm not working I like to look sharp, so i will not and/or cannot dress around my weapon. That's why I like my little LCP so much. .380 is no powerhouse, but I practice regularly and can put all 7 on a small paper plate at 7 yards in a hurry. And most importantly I have the little thing tucked on me almost 24/7 because the whole package, loaded and chambered LCP + holster is only 13.3 ounces - by comparison my iPhone 4 with a Magpul case is 5.7 ounces and my Benchmade Mini-Grip EDC is 3.3 ounces.
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^^^ lmao that's awesome!
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My gun will never fail. Its an HK
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If it fails at the wrong time, I have to rely on my BUG, that is if I have time and option to deploy it.
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December 4, 2012, 12:22 AM | #47 |
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I run a malfunction drill and get it back into the fight. Then I assess what happened (ammo, magazine, weapon?) and keep shooting. If it goes through 100 or so rounds without the same malfunction it stays where it is.
Clearing the malfunction is something that is not practiced nearly enough. Those who only accept 100% reliability from their carry gun still need to practice clearing malfunctions just like those of us who realize that it is a machine that can malfunction at any given time. |
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My first CCW gun was a Taurus M85. It froze up solid at around 250 rounds. I never trusted it after that and sold it off. It was replaced by a S&W 637 which has been flawless.
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I also own HK pistols, 3 currently, and have owned another 4 in the past. I have seen them jam on occasion, as hard to believe as it might be. They may be less fallible than some other options out there, but no gun is infallible.
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