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July 31, 2006, 07:58 PM | #1 |
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How to transfer silencer in IN.
I've got a buddy that wants to sell his H&K USP 45, he's got an $800 silencer that goes with it. (also has a high end laser on it)
What is involved in buying the silencer? Cost? Time frame? Paperwork? I want to be sure to do this by the book! One guy told me that the silencer needs to be sold (by the current owner) to a class III dealer, then when I've got my class III to go through, I can buy it from the class III dealer. I'd really appreciate some insight on this. THANK YOU !!! |
August 1, 2006, 08:55 AM | #2 |
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Assuming you are not an SOT, then you need a Form 4, $200 tax stamp, a bunch of fingerprints and photos, and (if this is your first Title II item) patience.
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August 1, 2006, 12:17 PM | #3 |
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Maybe just keep it all real quiet (no pun intended). They're illegal anyway so you got 2 choices: pay the feds & wait forever or just quietly buy it and keep it that way. And hide it in the house.
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Suppressors might be unlawfull in a particular state, but they are not banned on the Federal level.
Glennster, I'm moving this to the NFA Guns and Gear section. You'll get better and more to the point answers there. |
August 1, 2006, 01:24 PM | #5 |
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What is SOT???
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August 1, 2006, 02:12 PM | #6 |
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it is the Special (Occupational) Tax. In short, it is the tax you pay to be licensed to sell post-86 MG's to Gov't agencies.
To do a transfer, you have to fill out the form4 paperwork and pay the taxes (s). To transfer from person to person (no dealer) the owner has to pay the $200 tax to transfer the weapon out of his name, and then the buyer has to pay the $200 tax to transfer the weapon into his own name. This is why most people never sell their cans, because by the time you pay the tax twice, you could have bought a new can. Unless it is a deal that is too good to pass up (ie less than 1/2 of retail) I would suggest that you look into buying a new can. FWIW, it helps to have a dealer help you with this kind of transaction. PM me and I can give you the names of dealers I have worked with and recommend. ( and some I don't recommend) bdarin: don't post if you have no idea what you are talking about, especially if your post recommends doing something ILLEGAL! Check out the thread on NFA misconceptions...
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August 1, 2006, 05:02 PM | #7 |
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VUPDblue,
I really appreciate the info. Thank you, Glenn |
August 2, 2006, 01:14 AM | #8 |
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if.....you're fortunate enough to be living in the same state (here in the US) as
the seller, then you can go direct from seller to you on a single Form 4...meaning single $200 tax instead of two
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August 3, 2006, 06:15 PM | #9 |
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Raymond,
The guy I'm getting the silencer from is a buddy of mine, we live in the same town. Are you telling me that we can get it out of his name and into mine for a total of $200 by using a '' single '' form 4 ??? |
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August 4, 2006, 12:35 AM | #11 |
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so if you get a slam dunk deal from your buddy, plus bartering other gun gear,
etc, you can actually get a great deal, vs buying one new, interstate. but all this presupposes that the used can is in exceptional condition.
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August 4, 2006, 04:46 PM | #12 |
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The can is Swiss made ( Brugger+Thomet AG, IMPULS IIA/IIA-L) with about 50 rounds thru it, he paid $850 for it.
I've seen all the paperwork for all the purchases relative to this package (H&K USP Tac 45, H&K Laser, Extra mags, Flash supressor, a REALLY nice carrying case made for the gun and the can, special cleaning kit and extra O-rings for the can). He's got about $2500 in the whole thing, if I can get it for $1,000, I think it would be a great investment even with $200 tacked on($1,200 total investment) to do the transfer. So should I do it?????? |
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that would be a very good package price. what i'm scratching my head about
is how B+T can gets imported into the US as a transferable ¿ thought these were stopped before the ship gets to our shores - anyone? but as long as you've seen an approved BATF Form 4 with your buddy's name on it, that is what counts.
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August 8, 2006, 11:22 AM | #14 |
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You are correct if it is a REAL B&T suppressor (ie made overseas) it is a dealer sample... The GCA of 1968 stopped the importation of ALL TRANSFERABLE NFA weapons... that being said it is not unheard of for these things to be papered incorrectly...
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okay....from the SILENCERTEST web site, one of the knowledgeable conveys this....
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The paperwork usually takes 2 months. |
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August 9, 2006, 12:54 AM | #17 |
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yeah that was pretty sad. bdarin, read this FAQ....PLEASE. it will help with your understanding of NFA firearms
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August 9, 2006, 06:01 AM | #18 |
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raymond,
You sure do know your stuff. If my memory is correct, the silencer came through some company in Arrlington Heights, IL. Maybe they manufactured it. I stand corrected, I don't think it is ''Swiss made''. You guys are right, that is some extremly bad advice given by bdarin, I'm doing this by the book! I know a local guy that was visited by the ATF, he was clean as can be, he had nothing to worry about. He had purchased so many guns, it red flagged him. If I get one of those visits, I like knowing that I have nothing to worry about. |
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NUH-uh.
bdarin,
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