August 18, 2013, 04:38 PM | #26 |
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I think they're relevant because it speaks to his character. This is why, even underneath all the hyperbole, I can't take him seriously. It just boggles my mind that a pro-2a advocate intentionally dodged the draft but somehow supports our troops now. Makes me think he's a cowardly snake. The poaching stuff makes him look even worse. If it were a liberal I'm sure his background would be relevant and used against him
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He may have dodged the draft, even Ali but funny how everyone is quick to point that out when the 20 or so posters who said that probably only one or two even went to the Service.
That reminds me of that scripture "An eye of a needle". But it's very easy to condem others when you're so perfect. |
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gaseousclay, did Bill Clinton's use of educational deferments to avoid the draft cause you similar concerns?
Meanwhile, I am not a fan of draft dodgers, but I also do not think Viet Nam was comparable to WWII. Whether we should have backed French colonialism (aka fought dominoes), or whether we should have honored promises made to VietNamese freedom fighters for theirassistance vs the Japanese in WWII would be an interesting discussion, but we probably can't have that one on TFL. |
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The Viet Nam war was a very complex issue. If you weren't there you shouldn't be so quick to judge.
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I guess I don't understand how anyone can look Ted Nugent in the face and not wanna puke. He'll fight for your 2a rights but he won't fight in a war like every other red blooded American before him? He's a hypocrite. |
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I like Ted, not my first pic, definitely not my last to rep our 2nd amendment. But it takes all kinds, if he pulls 10 people into a great firearms community, fantastic. I'd guess he's pulled more than 10, and don't think that he has pushed many away.
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I'd rather hang out with Ted than 85% of the rest of the gun aficionados.
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make them hear your voice
I wish every gun owner had his passion and energy and was as out spoken and politically active for our rights as he is
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Redrik--Why is he not a good role model ? He is a rocker that preaches against drugs, alcohol and tobacco use and is for freedom.
I think your question has been answered
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He talks a big game but doesn't back it up. He promised to be dead or in jail by now, but yet there he is. People that act big, but play small, do not have my respect. There is no substance to what he says. No surprise he poaches and draft dodges
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So what you are saying is he is crazy? That is what a whole lot of people say about him.
So maybe he didn't 'dodge the draft' at all. Maybe he really was crazy. And still is. He is nutty, that is for sure. dc |
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I saw Ted last month at the Belly Up in Aspen which seats about 200 people so I was 5 feet away. It was awesome.
Ted bellowed out that he had a permit for the 1st Amendment "right here" and whipped out his middle finger for the audience. He's legitimately passionate and a smart guy. He's not going to convince a lot of fence-sitters but he certainly irritates the anti-gunners and anti-hunters, which is just fine with me. As for the poaching convictions - I educated myself on the specifics. It seems more sloppy hunting and not paying close attention to regs than what we think of as poaching (he wasn't blasting elk calves in the middle of the night). None of us are angels. |
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I'm a big Ted Nugent fan. More so for his active roll in the NRA and gun rights causes (as well as his anti-drug/alcohol stance and his support of Veterans) than for his music. But, there was a time I was really into Ted's music as well - it's just that "Wang-Dang, Sweet ********" resonated more with me with I was in my teens.
I like the way Ted doesn't try to be politically correct; doesn't try to morph into "Joe Average" simply to attract non-gun folks to his beliefs. I support Ted in his efforts to advocate for gun owners and the 2nd Amendment. He does it "his way" and I applaud him for that. I hope he stays on the bleeding edge doing what he feels is right in his heart, and not compromise his views and beliefs just to satisfy the mainstream. Rock on, Ted. |
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I see Ted the same as I see Hanoi Jane. They wear the colors that the folks they're with at the time want to see. Ted is convicted poacher and a self proclaimrd draft dodger. He is just a self-serving narcissist. In his hunting shows, his ethics are those of a shooter, not a hunter/sportsman. Just because he preaches the second amendment, doesn't make him a hero. There are thousands of better role models coming home every day from sandboxes across the oceans than "uncle Ted"could ever hope to be. I think it's hideious that he tries to identify himself with them.
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The flipside is that I know guys who have flown Ted and his family around. By all accounts, he is a very polite and friendly person, whose son is well-mannered and courteous.
Bear in mind that there is showmanship on one level, and then there is how a person behaves when the crowds are not watching or the camera is not rolling. |
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This fellow I barely know does not represent me, but that does not keep him from being an advocate. Part of being an advocate can involve addressing emotional components of an issue and addressing them in a way that involves showmanship. Calm and dispassionate reasoning is very persuasive amongst some people. However, it is not the only means of persuasion, and if we are too insistent on advocacy measuring up to a standard that most will not find persuasive, we should not bother as a political matter. Winning public opinion involves a tolerance of co-belligerents with whom one may have differences.
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Regarding Nugent and poaching - you really need to read the accounts of what happened. It's not like Ted is out there at night picking off deer with a search light and a silenced rifle. That's real poaching. Nugent got caught on technical misdemeanor violations of hunting laws, and if he was Joe Buckwheat, it would amount to a bunch of nothing.
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But anyone who would wear urine soaked and feces caked clothes for days in a row? This isn't anybody we want speaking for us. He's a deliberately abrasive individual who has a highly checkered past. Someone posted that they saw the Nuge in a concert: Quote:
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I used to be a fan of his until recently . I loved his TV show. I even brought his book" kill it and grill it". I am a NRA member, hunter and shooter. I ignored when he was caught illegally hunting last year. But the comments he made after the George Zimmerman verdict was the final straw, how you feel about the case is a matter of personal opinion, but to say the racist things he commented about the black community and Martin's grieving parents was totally uncalled for. He should leave the political activist stuff alone. He also should step down from the NRA board.
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I've actually met Ted Nugent. I like that he speaks his mind and doesn't pussyfoot around an issue. You can be sure that he is telling you exactly what he thinks and doesn't really care if that offends you.
In this day and age, that is an admirable quality. Take him for what he is, an entertainer. No different than the celebrities that disagree with us politically.
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I feel like I finally need to chime in...
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I've edited several posts. There will be no more name-calling or personal attacks against Mr. Nugent or anyone else. Failure to heed this warning will have consequences.
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Ted Nugent isn't for everyone. He doesn't represent everyone, heck, he probably doesn't actually represent anyone. He is, and has always been, a loose cannon who happens to share a passionate interest in guns, shooting and hunting. I don't have to be like Ted, or act like him just to be glad we have him on our side. And, although I recognize that he is not the be-all-end-all spokesman for preserving our 2nd Amendment rights, I think he generally contributes positively and is a small but important piece in the Big Picture. FWIW, I did a very quick count of favorable vs. unfavorable comments (trying not to double up where people posted more than once) concerning Ted Nugent, and the favorable comments are running just under 2 to 1 unfavorable. Like him or hate him, I feel Ted Nugent resonates with a large number of people who like shooting and support the 2nd Amendment. Do we really need to force everyone to like only intellectuals in suits and ties who speak softly and eloquently? Last edited by Skans; August 20, 2013 at 08:32 AM. |
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