December 24, 2014, 10:19 PM | #26 |
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I don't ask if it's ok if I bring my pocketknife, cell phone, or anything else in. If I know the person isn't that comfortable with guns I won't even ask, I'll just leave it at home. But no, I don't ask every time.
It's the homeowner's right to determine what they allow but sorry, I don't really think it's mandatory for a visitor to ask permission for every thing they might have on their person at the time. If the homeowner is that touchy then I strongly suggest said person be very proactive in letting guests know what items do need permission. I agree that signs are silly, but "Hey, I know you're into guns, do you have one?" isn't unreasonable. If I knew a friend didn't want me to bring one, fine. I wouldn't bring one in. But I'd at least expect him to let me know what I needed to ask about beforehand. |
December 24, 2014, 10:41 PM | #27 |
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You are basically right, but it is a few steps between a pocket knife and cell phone to a gun.
It's not that hard to figure out what is mundane and what is something that should be put up for consideration. I mean, a gun is a pretty big deal. Also, even a buddy that I would trust with a gun, I would consider checking with me as proper respect. I would feel obligated to pay him the same respect. If someone in a public place has a gun, it's not really my right to be informed. But in my house, it's my business to know and decide. |
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What ever happened to common sense and courtesy? I'm not going to inflame someone intentionally, particularly if armed, and don't believe you should go where you're not wanted.
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If a homeowner posts signs or tells me not to carry in their house then I won't carry there. It's their house, their rules. If they ask me if I'm carrying, I won't tell them. As a rule, I don't tell anyone when I'm carrying or generally even that I carry at all. I would either deflect the question or simply say that I don't discuss that topic. If they ask me to leave for refusing to answer, I would certainly do so. It's their house and they have a right to control who is in it. However, I don't feel that I must list everything I have on my person before I enter someone's house in order to be courteous. As long as I'm not breaking any laws and as long as I'm not violating anyone's stated wishes then the contents of my pockets and any other items on my person are nobody's business but mine. Quote:
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You would be well within your rights to refuse them entry (or ask them to leave) for not responding if you question them, but you are absolutely mistaken to believe that it is your "business to know" if someone is carrying. It is not your business if they're carrying or not. It IS your right to deny them access to your property and house, but that's where it ends.
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December 25, 2014, 07:27 AM | #31 |
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First, Merry Christmas.
I want to try to defend my point without any rhetoric. Most of us seem to be avid believers in the 2nd Amendment, and our right to bear arms. That's admirable. We expect all others to respect our rights, good. But that means we should also respect their rights. Sometimes, as in your right to swing your fist ends at my nose, we need to deal with conflicting rights. The 3rd Amendment refers to the British quartering of soldiers, and gets very little attention today. But it's intent was to protect the sanctity of a man's home. Much of our legal system goes back to British Common Law (not necessarily written down or voted on). A part of it that we Americans cherish says "a man's home is his castle", strong words. Many of our states, including a lot that refuse the right to carry weapons, have some sort of Castle Doctrine (may go under various names). At times, these two rights may collide, such as entering another's home while armed. That's not a small thing. Our forefathers were very wary of those that "came bearing arms". In those days, folks were expected to carry arms openly so others could see just who was armed. "Hidey Guns" were considered to be both cowardly and low. A lot has changed since then. Nowadays, open carry is not the norm, concealed carry has mostly replaced it. That doesn't mean a homeowner has no concern of "those bearing arms", only that that caution is largely forgotten. I have voiced my disagreement as to "just not telling", or "you should post a sign". Do you have signs posted? If so, do they cover any and all eventualities? Would I be correct if I told you, after the drug bust, that your sign didn't explicitly cover that? We're not arguing in court. Civilized people have developed norms of behavior. They are not written into any law, or posted on signs around our homes. They are called courtesies. The root word of courtesy is "court". Like courtesies, many of our "Common Laws" are not written down. If you performed a poll, you might find "Sanctity of the Home" and "Right to Bear Arms" very high on the list of important rights. My bet is they would appear as 1 & 2, in the order I listed. We all want our "Right to Bear Arms" to be respected. How can we expect that if we don't respect the "Sanctity of the Home" for another? That's all I have been saying. In one word R-E-S-P-E-C-T. Last edited by jnichols2; December 25, 2014 at 09:49 AM. |
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You, obviously, expect the host to post signs on the side of his trailer. To each his own. There are some people I would NEVER invite to my house. Don't bother to respond. I have interests elsewhere. |
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The legalities have long since been hashed out, and now we're just sniping at each other.
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