Paper help

JJN007 · August 30, 2011, 01:50 AM

Hello fellow gun enthusiasts. I am a grad student doing a research paper on foreign gun laws. I plan on comparing our laws to those in other developed countries, and will be taking an informative approach. Any suggestions on good sources on this topic? Any help would be appreciated.

Jim March · August 30, 2011, 03:37 AM

Sigh.

If you ask "what gun laws does a given country have", you won't get anywhere significant. You need to ask "WHY does a given country have gun control laws?"

And when you ask that, you'll find out that it's not ever "to be civilized".

Starkly on the contrary.

First, ask where US gun control laws came from. Start here:

http://www.constitution.org/cmt/cramer/racist_roots.htm

Then when you learn how gun control went so heavy in Britain, you find out it was NOT a response to crime. It was in fact a response to the rise in Socialist/Communist politics in the late WW1 era and a bit after. When "Reds" took over the Scottish Parliment building and raised a red flag on the roof, the aristocrats freaked the hell out and gun control was part of the response. Remember first that WW1 was much more "morally ambigous" than WW2, and the former was not popular with the working class in any country. When the Bolsheviks took Russia out of the war and then killed the monarchy, it had a certain appeal among the lower classes of England and Scotland and caused terror in the upper classes.

Then look at Germany: gun control came about as part of the Nazi's goal to turn the country into one giant slaughter-house. Ditto Russia, China, Cambodia, and on and on.

This idea that gun control is the mark of a "civilized society" is one of the biggest lies of our time. It always starts as part of a package of attrocities committed on populations or sub-groups.

But don't take my word for it. Go ask "why", not what. And if you're honest, you'll be horrified at what you learn. Self defense is a basic human right. Nobody who wants to take it away from you is your friend.

kadima · August 30, 2011, 04:36 AM

If you need help on Italian gun laws just ask how you want the subject to be dealt.
K.

Jim March · August 30, 2011, 10:34 AM

This chart shows when specific gun control laws passed, by country and statute number, when those preceded specific periods of mass slaughter:

http://www.njiat.com/media/Death%20b...2011_01_09.pdf

One that I know they missed was various British colonial-era gun control applied to India. Britain's slaughters there weren't really extensive enough to make a list like this one(!) but to a degree, they did occur...esp. in response to attempted uprisings. Most of it was 19th Century of course rather than 20th.

The oldest gun control laws in what became the US dated to the 1600s, basically "no selling guns to natives" and we know what a slaugher that eventually turned into...

Try and find a case where gun control was applied for the benefit of those disarmed. Seriously. You won't. Ever.

Glenn E. Meyer · August 30, 2011, 11:22 AM

Dave Kopel has an older but userful book: Cowboy, Samurai and Mountie - or something like that.

Do a google scholar search or PsychInfo search on firearms and you will come up with comparative sources.

Also, search the legal data bases. You will need such scholarly and primary sources as compared to internet ones for a grad level paper.

JJN007 · August 31, 2011, 01:59 AM

Thanks for your help!

August 30, 2011, 01:50 AM	#1
JJN007 Junior Member Join Date: August 30, 2011 Posts: 2	Paper help Hello fellow gun enthusiasts. I am a grad student doing a research paper on foreign gun laws. I plan on comparing our laws to those in other developed countries, and will be taking an informative approach. Any suggestions on good sources on this topic? Any help would be appreciated.

August 30, 2011, 03:37 AM	#2
Jim March Senior Member Join Date: February 14, 1999 Location: Pittsburg, CA, USA Posts: 7,417	Sigh. If you ask "what gun laws does a given country have", you won't get anywhere significant. You need to ask "WHY does a given country have gun control laws?" And when you ask that, you'll find out that it's not ever "to be civilized". Starkly on the contrary. First, ask where US gun control laws came from. Start here: http://www.constitution.org/cmt/cramer/racist_roots.htm Then when you learn how gun control went so heavy in Britain, you find out it was NOT a response to crime. It was in fact a response to the rise in Socialist/Communist politics in the late WW1 era and a bit after. When "Reds" took over the Scottish Parliment building and raised a red flag on the roof, the aristocrats freaked the hell out and gun control was part of the response. Remember first that WW1 was much more "morally ambigous" than WW2, and the former was not popular with the working class in any country. When the Bolsheviks took Russia out of the war and then killed the monarchy, it had a certain appeal among the lower classes of England and Scotland and caused terror in the upper classes. Then look at Germany: gun control came about as part of the Nazi's goal to turn the country into one giant slaughter-house. Ditto Russia, China, Cambodia, and on and on. This idea that gun control is the mark of a "civilized society" is one of the biggest lies of our time. It always starts as part of a package of attrocities committed on populations or sub-groups. But don't take my word for it. Go ask "why", not what. And if you're honest, you'll be horrified at what you learn. Self defense is a basic human right. Nobody who wants to take it away from you is your friend. __________________ Jim March

August 30, 2011, 10:34 AM	#4
Jim March Senior Member Join Date: February 14, 1999 Location: Pittsburg, CA, USA Posts: 7,417	This chart shows when specific gun control laws passed, by country and statute number, when those preceded specific periods of mass slaughter: http://www.njiat.com/media/Death%20b...2011_01_09.pdf One that I know they missed was various British colonial-era gun control applied to India. Britain's slaughters there weren't really extensive enough to make a list like this one(!) but to a degree, they did occur...esp. in response to attempted uprisings. Most of it was 19th Century of course rather than 20th. The oldest gun control laws in what became the US dated to the 1600s, basically "no selling guns to natives" and we know what a slaugher that eventually turned into... Try and find a case where gun control was applied for the benefit of those disarmed. Seriously. You won't. Ever. __________________ Jim March

August 30, 2011, 11:22 AM	#5
Glenn E. Meyer Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 20,064	Dave Kopel has an older but userful book: Cowboy, Samurai and Mountie - or something like that. Do a google scholar search or PsychInfo search on firearms and you will come up with comparative sources. Also, search the legal data bases. You will need such scholarly and primary sources as compared to internet ones for a grad level paper. __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. - Aux Armes, Citoyens

August 30, 2011, 04:36 AM	#3
kadima Senior Member Join Date: June 21, 2010 Posts: 190	If you need help on Italian gun laws just ask how you want the subject to be dealt. K.

August 31, 2011, 01:59 AM	#6
JJN007 Junior Member Join Date: August 30, 2011 Posts: 2	Thanks for your help!