Cabela's 1858 New Army Target for turkeys

howl · April 8, 2009, 10:00 AM

We can use these in GA. I'd rather a cartridge gun, but that is not legal.

What is the practical range for a 3" kill zone on a 20 pound turkey? And while I'm posting about oddball stuff, how long do you think a reflex red dot sight would last sitting on one of these? I'm thinking I would get a conversion cylinder for all the necessary practice and perhaps cheat with a red dot.

grymster2007 · April 8, 2009, 12:25 PM

I don't know about hunting turkeys, but you got me wanting to tacticalize my '58. Maybe a red dot, a suppressor and a tactical light mounted underneath.

madcratebuilder · April 9, 2009, 07:50 AM

Got to have a bi-pod or it's not complete.

williamfeldmann · April 9, 2009, 10:10 AM

While it would be funny to see a '58 with a bipod (maybe a buffalo model), the added stabilty isn't going to help that much at the range you will be shooting.

With a target-rifled (progressive rifling) barrel, I think Midway or Dixie still sells them, that 3 inch target would be no problem out to 25-30 yards or even farther if you are really steady. Just dial it in for the range of your choice. My target model has the regular (not progressive) barrel on it and for a 3" shot, I don't think I would get much farther than 20 yards. It doesn't take much to cause a miss, even an uneven load will do it. You will really want to practice up for that shot.

44capnball · April 9, 2009, 10:55 AM

Even without the progressive rifling you might be able to work up a bp or 777 load to put a ball into 3" at 25 yards. From a rest or prone position of course.

A red dot on a bp revolver would be a travesty.

gmatov · April 10, 2009, 02:42 AM

44,

Come on. You said Berdan's recruits had to hit a floating buoy at 1500 yards, and now you say the guy MIGHT be able to work up a load for a Rem Target model to hit 3 inches at 25 yards?

If I can't do that with my own, BUT, off the bench, I will hang up my old glasses and my guns.

Cheers,

George

williamfeldmann · April 10, 2009, 08:38 AM

I don't know about you guys, but when I am hunting I rarely have my bench along.

Hitting a 3" head off a bag rest is a lot different than hitting a 3" head off a knee rest at the same distance, not to mention adrenaline, etc. Work up a load and practice OFF the bench and you will do fine out to 20-25 yards.

howl · April 10, 2009, 11:53 AM

Shots would be rested off the knees. I'm not about to try to hit one in the head with a bullet. Thinking more like breaking the wings while taking out the vitals like you do with a bow.
Sounds like the gun will be up to it. Question is whether or not I can keep cool enough to pull it off. Those turkeys get me a little worked up!

Thanks for the info. I agree on the aesthetics, but I think I'll want the help of a dot on such a tough shot. Doesn't look that bad:

joejeweler · April 11, 2009, 04:51 PM

Shoot a turkey at close enough range with that 1858 New Army,......

....and you get "smoked" turkey right away!

April 8, 2009, 10:00 AM	#1
howl Junior Member Join Date: April 8, 2009 Posts: 10	Cabela's 1858 New Army Target for turkeys We can use these in GA. I'd rather a cartridge gun, but that is not legal. What is the practical range for a 3" kill zone on a 20 pound turkey? And while I'm posting about oddball stuff, how long do you think a reflex red dot sight would last sitting on one of these? I'm thinking I would get a conversion cylinder for all the necessary practice and perhaps cheat with a red dot.

April 8, 2009, 12:25 PM	#2
grymster2007 Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2007 Location: In the oak studded hills near Napa Posts: 2,203	I don't know about hunting turkeys, but you got me wanting to tacticalize my '58. Maybe a red dot, a suppressor and a tactical light mounted underneath. __________________ grym

April 9, 2009, 10:10 AM	#4
williamfeldmann Member Join Date: December 23, 2008 Posts: 60	everyone's a commedian today While it would be funny to see a '58 with a bipod (maybe a buffalo model), the added stabilty isn't going to help that much at the range you will be shooting. With a target-rifled (progressive rifling) barrel, I think Midway or Dixie still sells them, that 3 inch target would be no problem out to 25-30 yards or even farther if you are really steady. Just dial it in for the range of your choice. My target model has the regular (not progressive) barrel on it and for a 3" shot, I don't think I would get much farther than 20 yards. It doesn't take much to cause a miss, even an uneven load will do it. You will really want to practice up for that shot.

April 9, 2009, 10:55 AM	#5
44capnball Senior Member Join Date: November 16, 2007 Posts: 257	Even without the progressive rifling you might be able to work up a bp or 777 load to put a ball into 3" at 25 yards. From a rest or prone position of course. A red dot on a bp revolver would be a travesty. __________________ "Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows." -George Orwell

April 9, 2009, 07:50 AM	#3
madcratebuilder Senior Member Join Date: November 2, 2007 Location: Northern Orygun Posts: 4,923	Got to have a bi-pod or it's not complete.

April 10, 2009, 02:42 AM	#6
gmatov Junior member Join Date: September 20, 2005 Posts: 346	44, Come on. You said Berdan's recruits had to hit a floating buoy at 1500 yards, and now you say the guy MIGHT be able to work up a load for a Rem Target model to hit 3 inches at 25 yards? If I can't do that with my own, BUT, off the bench, I will hang up my old glasses and my guns. Cheers, George

April 10, 2009, 08:38 AM	#7
williamfeldmann Member Join Date: December 23, 2008 Posts: 60	I don't know about you guys, but when I am hunting I rarely have my bench along. Hitting a 3" head off a bag rest is a lot different than hitting a 3" head off a knee rest at the same distance, not to mention adrenaline, etc. Work up a load and practice OFF the bench and you will do fine out to 20-25 yards.

April 10, 2009, 11:53 AM	#8
howl Junior Member Join Date: April 8, 2009 Posts: 10	Shots would be rested off the knees. I'm not about to try to hit one in the head with a bullet. Thinking more like breaking the wings while taking out the vitals like you do with a bow. Sounds like the gun will be up to it. Question is whether or not I can keep cool enough to pull it off. Those turkeys get me a little worked up! Thanks for the info. I agree on the aesthetics, but I think I'll want the help of a dot on such a tough shot. Doesn't look that bad:

April 11, 2009, 04:51 PM	#9
joejeweler Member Join Date: March 12, 2009 Posts: 21	Shoot a turkey at close enough range with that 1858 New Army,...... ....and you get "smoked" turkey right away!