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April 29, 2013, 09:39 AM | #26 |
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For the life of me i can't understand why the GOA and NRA have not called Manchin and Toomey "anti-gun leaders" and regraded both F-.
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April 29, 2013, 09:43 AM | #27 | |
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April 29, 2013, 12:17 PM | #28 | |
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April 29, 2013, 12:37 PM | #30 | |
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They should be re-graded, significantly lower.
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I understand, many of you live in states where they allow you to exercise your privileges after they say it's OK to do so, and I hope that that changes ASAP to freedom soon. As to this bill, keep the pressure on, though I am fairly certain Schumer is a completely lost cause - his district is completely safe from sanity. |
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April 29, 2013, 02:46 PM | #31 |
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I've been seeing the same talking points being drummed over and over on various media (TV, newspaper articles, letters to the editor) this past week: Senators who voted against the BC are "cowardly" (as opposed to those brave men and women who voted "Yes" based on opinion polls), the BC bill doesn't take away any guns, it in no way facilitates registration, common sense, blah, blah, blah. Its like an orchestrated campaign to propogandize the uninformed even more to try to get their bad bill passed.
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April 29, 2013, 02:56 PM | #32 |
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It also amuses me how the gun haters always talk about AR15s and the like being "weapons of mass destruction that belong on battlefields, not our streets", but when they are brought up as being tools for resisting government tyranny, you hear "your puny little rifles would be useless against the US military".
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April 29, 2013, 04:46 PM | #34 |
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I don't think a universal check requirement like Schmer's has a chance. A bill like the Manchin Toomey compromise that expands checks but doesn't go as far as Schumer's might pass.
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April 29, 2013, 05:43 PM | #35 | |
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Manchin and Toomey are what the GOA refers to as "gun control leaders". Gun control leaders propose and push gun control: They are awarded an F-: Fits Manchin and Toomey to a T.
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April 30, 2013, 07:08 AM | #36 |
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I agree with the OP that the fight is far from over.
If my understanding is correct, the amendment voted on last week required 60 votes to pass because of a senate rule to bypass open debate. There was a majority to pass it but not the 60 votes needed. Is that correct? Given that, I would put money on Schumer et al reintroducing it and opening it up for debate hoping for it to pass the senate by majority. Most of them already have their minds firmly made up anyway, and the numbers probably won't change by a significant amount. What the House does is a different story. |
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IMO, there are lessons we can learn as gun owners about how we prioritize our gun rights and we don't have to go far to learn them. Just do a history search right here on TFL of the Bush/Obama presidential campaign era and you'll find many a gun owner that made statements reflecting the attitude of... 'if Obama gets elected, he'll have to much to do to worry about gun control'... or posts declaring there were more important things then gun control/2nd Amendment the next pres. will have to deal with. Fast forward to today and what do we have...a president that was anti 2nd Amendment before he became pres. that has found time to exercise his anti 2nd Amendment agenda prompted by other elected anti 2nd Amendment politicians. Using crime as an excuse for promoting their anti agenda's. A little research and we find there is nothing new about using the 'crime' strategy by the anti's for promoting their AWB agenda. Maybe we as gun owners need to re-prioritize the importance of our 2nd Amendment rights ,vet our candidates on their views of these rights and their views on fighting crime then vote accordingly. Even when gun control/crime is not the 'hot topic' of the day. |
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April 30, 2013, 10:54 AM | #38 |
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Just got off the phone with a representative of the NRA-ILA. The nice gentleman informed me that senators Manchin and Toomey will be downgraded when they run for re-election. i'm the very first person the gentleman has talked to on this subject. He will bring the subject up to his bosses at their next meeting.
Meanwhile Manchin and Toomey are using their positions as A rated senators to to push their version of "common sense" gun control. The decision to downgrade the NRA rating of a politician rests with the highest circles of the NRA. i may attend the NRA convention and personally accost a member of the NRA board, the executive vice president or the president. Last edited by thallub; April 30, 2013 at 11:53 AM. |
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What did the left do? They immediately called for and passed a whole slew of new gun control laws in New York. They sent the wife of one of the victims to Washington as their representative in the House. though she'd never held public office. She ran exclusively on a gun control platform. The anti gun folks will use any crisis as a catalyst to gin up fear and emotion, in order to pass more gun control laws.
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