30-06 question

happyman49 · March 11, 2009, 06:46 AM

I bought some nosler 165 gr. btsp bullets yesterday and would like to know if I can use IMR4895 powder?? my manual don't have it listed with the 165.gr round. I normally use 4350 but am out of it and the local shop is out too. I have a can of 4895 that has not been opened.

happyman49 · March 11, 2009, 06:48 AM

sorry for the double post. I guess I didn't give it enough time to show up.lol

Tuzo · March 11, 2009, 10:52 AM

I reload 165gr Sierra HPBT with IMR-4895 with good results. For .30-06 Springfiled the Sierra manual recommends these muzzle velocity to IMR-4895 powder loads:
2400 - 40.5
2500 - 42.6
2600 - 44.7
2700 - 46.8 (maximum)

IMR-4895 is a versatile powder that I believe was developed for gas-operated military arms, specifically the M1 Garand. The powder works well in my .223 (bolt and semi-automatic), .243, and .30-06 reloads. Metering is a bit difficult with a conventional powder measure but since switching to a RCBS ChargeMaster that has ceased to be a problem.

happyman49 · March 11, 2009, 11:53 AM

thanks Tuzo, the small gun shop I visited was out of reloading manuals and all I had was one from the 80's.

Slamfire · March 11, 2009, 03:25 PM

IMR 4895 was developed around WWII and millions of rounds, up to the end of the military production of 30-06 were loaded with this powder. So yes, you can use it, and it will shoot very well.

I have a lot of data with AA2495, which is Accurate Arms copy of 4895. But I am not going to post that. I am currently using for target match shooting a load of 47.0 grains IMR 4895 with RA54 brass and CCI #34 primers, in a Garand. I have used the 47.0 grains load with 150’s, 168’s, and 175’s. It is not a hot load. So you should be use it as is with 165 grain hunting bullets.

I assume you are using this in a bolt rifle, so unlike my gas guns, you can increase the charge without worrying about damaging your gas system.

As a data point, this is what I got with 175 grain bullets. Not very hot at all.

Ruger #1 26" barrel

175 Sierra 47.0 IMR 4895 W/W Fed210S OAL 3.3"
19-Oct-04 T = 75 ° F
Ave Vel = 2535
Std Dev = 30
ES = 92
Low = 2487
High = 2579
N = 11
excellent accuracy

happyman49 · March 11, 2009, 04:54 PM

thanks slamfire, I am using a remington 700 bolt action.

DiscoRacing · March 11, 2009, 05:45 PM

yeah you can use 4895 Happy.... i also use 4064

James R. Burke · March 13, 2009, 07:26 PM

Check the Nosler web site. Go to there ballistic room. They have all the info for there bullets. Great site.

willr · March 14, 2009, 05:13 PM

What rifle are you reloading for? If you are reloading for a M1 Garand, you need to read some of the Garand info because you could damage your op-rod with the wrong loads.

willr

March 11, 2009, 06:46 AM	#1
happyman49 Junior Member Join Date: February 20, 2009 Posts: 10	30-06 question I bought some nosler 165 gr. btsp bullets yesterday and would like to know if I can use IMR4895 powder?? my manual don't have it listed with the 165.gr round. I normally use 4350 but am out of it and the local shop is out too. I have a can of 4895 that has not been opened.

March 11, 2009, 06:48 AM	#2
happyman49 Junior Member Join Date: February 20, 2009 Posts: 10	sorry for the double post. I guess I didn't give it enough time to show up.lol

March 11, 2009, 10:52 AM	#3
Tuzo Senior Member Join Date: June 14, 2007 Location: Louisiana Posts: 797	Recommendation I reload 165gr Sierra HPBT with IMR-4895 with good results. For .30-06 Springfiled the Sierra manual recommends these muzzle velocity to IMR-4895 powder loads: 2400 - 40.5 2500 - 42.6 2600 - 44.7 2700 - 46.8 (maximum) IMR-4895 is a versatile powder that I believe was developed for gas-operated military arms, specifically the M1 Garand. The powder works well in my .223 (bolt and semi-automatic), .243, and .30-06 reloads. Metering is a bit difficult with a conventional powder measure but since switching to a RCBS ChargeMaster that has ceased to be a problem.

March 11, 2009, 11:53 AM	#4
happyman49 Junior Member Join Date: February 20, 2009 Posts: 10	thanks Tuzo, the small gun shop I visited was out of reloading manuals and all I had was one from the 80's.

March 11, 2009, 03:25 PM	#5
Slamfire Senior Member Join Date: May 27, 2007 Posts: 5,261	IMR 4895 was developed around WWII and millions of rounds, up to the end of the military production of 30-06 were loaded with this powder. So yes, you can use it, and it will shoot very well. I have a lot of data with AA2495, which is Accurate Arms copy of 4895. But I am not going to post that. I am currently using for target match shooting a load of 47.0 grains IMR 4895 with RA54 brass and CCI #34 primers, in a Garand. I have used the 47.0 grains load with 150’s, 168’s, and 175’s. It is not a hot load. So you should be use it as is with 165 grain hunting bullets. I assume you are using this in a bolt rifle, so unlike my gas guns, you can increase the charge without worrying about damaging your gas system. As a data point, this is what I got with 175 grain bullets. Not very hot at all. Ruger #1 26" barrel 175 Sierra 47.0 IMR 4895 W/W Fed210S OAL 3.3" 19-Oct-04 T = 75 ° F Ave Vel = 2535 Std Dev = 30 ES = 92 Low = 2487 High = 2579 N = 11 excellent accuracy

March 11, 2009, 04:54 PM	#6
happyman49 Junior Member Join Date: February 20, 2009 Posts: 10	thanks slamfire, I am using a remington 700 bolt action.

March 11, 2009, 05:45 PM	#7
DiscoRacing Senior Member Join Date: December 19, 2008 Location: milton, wv Posts: 3,640	yeah you can use 4895 Happy.... i also use 4064

March 13, 2009, 07:26 PM	#8
James R. Burke Senior Member Join Date: January 3, 2009 Location: U.P. of Mich/Quinnesec Posts: 1,897	Check the Nosler web site. Go to there ballistic room. They have all the info for there bullets. Great site.

March 14, 2009, 05:13 PM	#9
willr Senior Member Join Date: July 23, 2006 Posts: 356	What rifle are you reloading for? If you are reloading for a M1 Garand, you need to read some of the Garand info because you could damage your op-rod with the wrong loads. willr