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August 19, 2014, 06:41 PM | #26 | |
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Caliber ------Revolver Wt-----Bullet-----Velocity------Energy---------Recoil 44 mag--------2.6 lbs--------240 Gn----1375 fps----1008 ft/lbs-----23.4 ft/lbs 454-----------3.28 lbs-------240 Gn----1815 fps-----1756 ft/lbs----36.5 ft/lbs 460-----------4.5 lbs--------240 Gn-----2165 fps----2498 ft/lbs----38.6 ft/lbs Now these are just calculated numbers using a constant powder burn rate, etc. While I am sure they are not perfect, they are close enough for approximation. So, in the case of the 460, it delivers about 148% more energy than the 44 mag with about 65% more recoil. In the case of the 454, the 460 provides 42% more energy with 6% more recoil. The other thing that is not calculated is the effect of the muzzle break. I never shot a 460 without one and never shot a 44 with one. The only 454 I shot was shooting 454s out of the 460 so that was with the brake. That may be part of the reason the 460 is not bad to shoot. So the weight is a burden carrying a gun but it does help when shooting the gun. YMMV |
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August 19, 2014, 08:21 PM | #27 |
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5.5" Super Blackhawk .44 mag
4.62" New Vaquero .45 lc RIA 1911 Tactical .45 acp Nothing exotic or flashy, just good guns.
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August 19, 2014, 09:25 PM | #28 |
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Lar grizzly .45 win mag 3 port by Bob Cogan. I was lucky I bought the gun from a man that knows about all there is to know about the gun. He has loaded me several options from 185 grain to 230 at 1700 fps to some 300 grain hornady XTPs. I don't have energy data on the 300s but I would bet its enough to get the job done. If you ever need work done especially hard chrome Bob is amazing. He will talk to you for as long as it takes to give you the best options and explain why and what should be done. His prices are surprisingly low and the quality of work top notch. It isnt often you find someone that cares more about doing something the best way than making the most money.
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August 19, 2014, 09:39 PM | #29 |
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Ruger flat top .45 colt. The grip fits my hand to perfection. A 255 grain .45 at 900-1000 FPS will shoot completely through any animal I will encounter and is pleasant to shoot. Unfortunately the N frame S&W just doesn't fit my hand.
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August 19, 2014, 11:19 PM | #31 |
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BFR 45-70Govt. !0 Inch barrel
I can shoot rounds as light at 250 grain at speeds about 2000 FPS All the way up to 550 grain bullets plodding along at about 1250 FPS. But if I am going to be honest my favorite load is 550 grain bullet moving less than 900 FPS. Still gives a lot of recoil but its slow and not sharp at all. So far they don't key hole but they are not the most accurate rounds at that slow speed. For Accuracy the 400-450 grain bullets seem to the the best at about 1200 FPS. Certainly not full power but plenty of killing power for me.
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If we define bigbore as a bullet diameter of .400" or larger, then my bigbores are as follows in order of bore diameter:
10mm Auto .41 Magnum .44 Special .44 Magnum .45 ACP In terms of power, I've never really felt the need for anything more than a .44 Magnum or equivalent. Even in a .44 Magnum, I don't really see the need to push things beyond a 240-250 gr bullet at 1200-1300 fps as that is more than enough power for anything I'd ever need a handgun to do. Beyond that, my interest in handguns is historical interest and recreational and nothing substantially bigger or more powerful than a .44 Magnum really fits those interests. I do admit that I've considered adding something in .45 Long Colt to my collection, but I would load it to .44 Magnum levels or, more likely, substantially less. |
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August 20, 2014, 04:46 AM | #34 |
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S&W 629-6 Classic 5" - .44Mag.
S&W 629-4 3" - .44Mag. S&W 624nd 3" - .44Spl. Factory ammo - typically 240gn. I've never shot any handgun bigger than the .44mag. The 5" is very comfortable to shoot while the 3" .44 is like hanging onto a grenade, tho somewhat better with rubber grips. |
August 20, 2014, 07:30 AM | #35 |
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40 caliber or bigger ???
let's see... yup... I've got a couple rather than list them all... I'll just comment on a few... smallest / weakest big bore revolver, is my antique 44 American Bulldog... I reload for this cartridge, which uses shortened 44 Special cases... gun is a nickel solid frame with a loading gate... may I have been unfired before I bought it... neat little big bore pocket gun... now to go back to smallest bore, of the big bores, is my custom S&W 610... which come from the factory able to shoot 40 & 10mm auto... I have an Automag 4, & also a custom Contender barrel chambered in 10 mm magnum, so I had the chambers deepened on my 610 to shoot all 3 cartridges then I have a custom converted old German single action in 44-40 I also have a custom Dan Wesson 2.5" snubbies 44 Magnum... has both a compensator barrel nut, & the factory nut... I had it out last night, had 70 rounds of hot handloads that were in vintage Herters brass, that I'd picked up a while back, that I needed to get shot up, so I could sell the cases at the up coming Herters Swap Meet... that gun now wears a set of full fiber optic sights, & was built as a bear gun, back before Ruger came out with the Alaskan... last night I didn't have the comp nut on it, & they were not my handloads, but were a couple grains of Unique over max published... so I can still feel it in the web of my shooting hand... pictured here with the comp nut, & before the fiber optic sights were added several 45 Colts, including my custom snubbie carry gun, this Montado, that had a birdshead grip from a single six ( back before they offered them that way ) barrel shortened & extractor removed... pictured with a beaver tail holster I made ...& speaking of the Ruger Alaskan... here is my 454 Casull... it also currently wears custom fiber optics... my newest... is still under construction ( needs cosmetic finishing ) that is a custom converted Walker revolver, chambered in 45 Black Powder Magnum ( uses full sized 460 S&W cases ) gun was highly strengthened to shoot smokeless powders & can easily handle warm 45 Colt level loads... the mechanical work is complete, & extensive firing done... just waiting to get into the metal finisher... then there is my custom 50 A.E. Blackhawk... it's a 50... what more do I have to say... have many more than pictured... including an Air lite 44 Special... probably the guns that get fired the most are my pair of consecutive serialed 45 Colt polished stainless Ruger Montados that I use for CAS shooting... this year I added polished brass Colt Lightning grips, mostly because my companion rifle is stainless & brass... no pictures of that pair since the work was done... sorry... had to go back & edit out some pics... as I had more than allowed...
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& since this isn't the revolver thread... got a few autos that qualify, but I'm more of a revolver guy, so that is what I pictured previously...
my Automags are my favorite autos... I've since pulled all the scopes off, & put them on Contenders ( BTW the 45-70 Contender qualifies as a big bore ) this is the add that started me on the Automag path... nope it wasn't the Clint Eastwood movie... though I'd like to add a 44 Auto Mag to my collection...
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MWM's post about his Bulldog reminded me of one I left off my list... my Colt Thuer 3rd model Deringer in .41 short. Yes, it's a mighty beast indeed. I would love to shoot it (once) but can't find a spare .41 short round for it, not wanting to break up my full box of 1935-era Peters ammo.
According to Wikipedia, the 130 grain bullet is propelled at a rather lethargic 425 fps, for a muzzle energy of about 52 ft-lbs (half that of a decent .22LR) and less than a .25 ACP round. Last edited by spacecoast; August 20, 2014 at 08:53 AM. |
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there is a guy that sells collector cartridges that does the local gun show circuit you may find someone like that in your area, that has a couple ( I'm sure the cost would be several dollars a piece ) but your factory box is in incredible shape... so... nope I wouldn't shoot one out of it...
I have a replica Butler single shot derringer in 22 short that looks similar...does your barrel pivot sideways in the middle to load / unload ???
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very cool gun... thanks for posting...
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That Automag/TRex ad is the best thing I've seen on the web in a long time, MWM. LMAO!
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August 20, 2014, 11:09 AM | #42 |
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My big bore?
MY MOTHER IN LAW! Seriously tho I have 3 .45 Colt, 3 41 mags, & 2 .44 mags. Never saw the need for anything more powerful as the largest game I hunt is whitetail and they are not hard to take with any well placed shot. I've even taken 2 with the .45 auto. I've shot the .454 and it's a great ctg. but still not even close to being necessary to take deer. I limit my hunting range with a handgun to 50 yards which I feel is sensible. I once had a Super Redhawk and T/C contender with scopes but they were cumbersome, way to big & heavy and boardered on being sawed off rifles. |
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I carried the 454 in a few handguns and they tended to be heavy and more power than necessary for mainly whitetail and black bear. I went back to my first love, a S&W 6" 29/629 44mag open sights. Well balanced and easy to carry. I dont even loaded them hot any more and have found a mid power 240 XTP to be quite a killer dropping them in their tracks when doing my part. I have killed a lot of deer with the handgun from 10mm to 454 but found the 44mag THE most versatile. FYI,...The 45LC would be my second choice for deer.
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Ruger Blackhawk 4 5/8" in 45 Colt for the woods or Stainless Colt Commander 45 acp for daily carry.
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Ruger Blackhawk in .41 Rem Mag. Carried in the field usually with my Marlin 1894FG also a .41 Rem Mag.
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My .45 Colt is a Bond Arms Derringer. You'd best have good hold of that thing when it goes off.
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I chose the .45 Colt / .454 Casull / .460 S&W family over the .44 mag / .445 supermag family.
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Mystro: You made that shot at 175 yards with a revolver using open sights?
WOW! That is totally awsome. I'm a pretty fair shot with a handgun but wouldn't even attempt a shot at that distance. |
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While I don't currently have one in the collection, I'll go with the classic .44 Magnum. It's plenty of medicine for anything short of bear and even passable medicine for bear (as someone else in the thread mentioned, pretty much any handgun against bear means you are in a bad situation).
I like the cartridge because it's a well-established, easily found cartridge with high power but still manageable enough recoil for repeat shots.
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George Nonte once wrote an article on "the fine art of taking bear with a .45 auto". Pedersen took an enormous polar bear with a .44 Magnum. These are much different situations than having a bear some through your tent while you are sleeping, or surprising you as you walk about. Much different.
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