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May 21, 2013, 11:15 AM | #1 |
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Poetic Ammo Justice is served!
Okay, I shouldn't really be proud of myself for this but here's the story:
Last night the good 'ol walmart app alerts me that 100 pack .223 and fed automatch are in stock in a semi-local walmart (20 miles away) I snag up my stepdaughters to lend a "helping hand" to get more than the perquisite 3 boxes -(Not claiming moral superiority here, but I do like to take the grand kids out a couple times, mind you, and I did go out there with the intent to buy 6 boxes.) Along the way, a couple of shooting buddies also happen to call and they head along with too. So now I have a carload of crusty old smelly guys just off work, and a pair of malcontent teens (no wifi on the highway - lol) loaded for a happy joy ride, crammed into my truck, in the rain. Anyway, to the point. We show up at the walmart, and the shelves are, of course, empty. Manage to actually flag down a competent employee who goes off in search of said ammo. While we're waiting the "horde" shows up. I've run into this bunch before in my hometown walmart and fleet farm. There's about 10 of them, and they do the shelf raiding thing as a group. I've been behind them several times only to find that they've wiped out the supply. True side story: I ran into them the first time saw the armloads of ammo and begged a single box off them. The one guy laughed at me and said "This stuff's like gold, you can buy one from me online" THAT sure made my day. So, MY horde is inline first and they(other horde) kinda start muscling their way to the front when the guy comes back with all 30 remaining boxes of 22. We're not the only ones there either. There's 5-6 others waiting in line too. Well, the walmart guy is a good guy, He remembers that we were in line first and tells the horde that it's first come, first serve. In the confusion, my hands are quicker than his eyes - if you catch my meaning. I only had enough muscle to pick up 18 boxes. but somehow the other people in line managed to have a few boxes handed back to them as we were getting our batch - if you catch my drift... I think the stock guy handed out about oh.... 30 of them before I got my 3, lol. Well... Horde guy kinda made a stink a bit when he came up to the counter and, well, all 3 cases were empty! and several other patrons all had at least one box in their hands.... Darn glad that guy doesn't know what I drive, wow, with that look he gave me - even my wife would have been impressed. |
May 21, 2013, 11:55 AM | #2 |
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May 21, 2013, 04:31 PM | #3 |
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"This stuff's like gold, you can buy one from me online"
If this is the guy that didn't get any ammo then you did a good thing. These people deserve no respect for trying to profit and gouge while the rest of us suffer an ammo shortage.
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May 21, 2013, 06:20 PM | #4 | |
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Back four +/- years ago during the FIRST ammo shortage, when the only place that had 100-round value packs of Winchester USA was Wal-Mart, there was NO Winchester USA in .45 Auto to be had at any of the local Wal-Marts. Stopped by a small local gun shop on a Saturday afternoon and he had several value packs on his shelf -- priced at $50 each (when Wal-Mart was still selling them for $32). There should be a special place in the underworld reserved for people like that. |
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May 21, 2013, 06:39 PM | #5 |
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"This stuffs like gold"... Makes me sick. You know what name and website he's selling it online under?
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May 21, 2013, 06:47 PM | #6 |
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BTW is it illegal to resell ammo as a business without an FFL? Maybe a little visit from ATF could be in his future
Though IDK. On the one hand, vengeance is sweet. On the other, snitching is not cool. |
May 21, 2013, 07:10 PM | #7 |
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It is if he's an ass.
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May 21, 2013, 08:43 PM | #9 |
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There's a difference in capitalism and scalping. Capitolism is characterized by hard work and entrepreneurship. Scalping is taking advantage of people who have no other choice but to buy from you and/or profiting off of people's fears (like OPEC). Capitolism benefits mostly everyone (unless you suck at running a business) who participates honestly in the system where as scalping benefits only the greedy SOB doing it. These sorts of practices have done nothing but harm the shooting community as a whole by contributing to the ammo shortage.
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It ain't free-market and all that Econ 101 stuff. These people are scalpers and if they did this with food or gas during a disaster, they would get hauled in by the authorities at the very least. At the very worst, they'd get beaten and/or killed.
Still don't agree? Why are there laws against scalping tickets in many municipalities? How about this? Let's say I know a big storm is coming and I run out and buy all the sump pumps and generators at the Home Depots while it's just starting to rain. So, now there's about 6 inches of rain on the ground and another 10" to go... I set up across the Home Depot with a sign to sell the sump pumps and generators - for 4X the retail price. How long do you think before I get taken in by the cops or beaten? Hey, but it's Capitalism! Fortunately, it is "only" ammo and these guys are hiding behind the anonymity of the Internet. I wonder what would happen if someone deliberately buys from 'em just to get their personal info; do a bit of quick research on their State laws; and possibly report 'em to their State (depending on their State). It would have to be State because I don't think there are any laws on selling ammo at the Federal level. It wouldn't be that hard if you think about it. These are the guys on Gunbroker with a handful of feedbacks on GB and they're all from the last 4 months and all their transactions consist of ammo.
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So, because its NOT government regulated its not free market?
I think you've got that backwards... |
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Yes, it is scalping. Yes, it is wrong.....from the perspective of the buyer. I detest what these people are doing because I do not believe they have a true interest in the shooting/hunting community. I have a simple solution for this problem: do not purchase from them. I have purchased absolutely nothing from these profiteers and I have no intention to start. If that means I have to rework my favorite cartridges with a different powder that's what I'll do. If I have to leave my rimfires silent in the safe that's what i'll do. I won't give them one red cent of my hard earned cash. If every one of us did this, the issue would quickly resolve itself.
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How exactly is this supply "artificial"? Please have an answer besides the debunked DHS ammo conspiracy. |
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Are the guys charging upwards of $1000 for a Colt Python scalping? I mean it's just a .357 revolver, nothing special. It shouldn't cost 1,200 dollars. So I guess it's wrong of them to take advantage of the fact that they're one of the few people who have one for sale. I mean, I disagree with what the guy is doing and I think he's an jackass for it. The OP did good by giving him a taste of his own medicine, but let's be serious here. The guy isn't scalping or gouging. |
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BTW, stop being so damn condescending, please. You and I don't agree and let's leave it at that. No need to see who can pee higher.
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It is not the same as the guy trading on a Colt Python. There are not tens of thousands (hundreds of thousands?) of people clamoring for a Colt Python.
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Buying a large portion of a scarce commodity in order to raise prices is unethical. One LGS here has identified some of these folks, they get one box per day, no more.
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best way to beat the "ammo scalpers" is not to pay their prices.
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Large ammo sellers like Wal-Mart, Cabelas, Sportsmans Guide, Natchez, etc., could legally exploit the current situation by raising their prices. Ammo isn't price-regulated, so that wouldn't be illegal. But they know that -- eventually -- supply will increase and demand will stabilize, at which point they can foresee a backlash if they were to try to gouge now. So, whether their motives are entirely honorable or if they are only holding their prices to avoid a backlash later, I credit the big sellers for NOT bumping their prices, or even auctioning off ammo to the highest bidder. The people who are buying it to flip are opportunists -- jackals. What they are doing isn't illegal, but it is certainly immoral. Is it free market at work? Yes, it is -- free BLACK market. But the current ammo market supply situation is not artificial. For it to be artificial, either the manufacturers would have to be conspiring to limit their production to less than their actual capacity, or the government would have to be somehow manipulating the supply. I don't see either happening. |
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Scream about "free markets" and whatnot, scalping isn't capitalism. These people don't produce anything, they don't manufacture or ship, they aren't creative or innovative, they just take advantage of a bad situation.
And it's because of them that you can't buy more than 100 rounds of ammo at any local gun stores--even Wal Mart. |
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Try watching this video about why it is NOT gouging: - even during a disaster - (takes only a few minutes): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9QEkw6_O6w |
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I guess we need to include EVERY retailer in that group from grocery stores to big box chains Some folks just don't get it.............. |
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You know what? I haven't purchased ANYTHING except for 12 gauge during this panic. I have all the ammo I need for the next 5 years. I still run to the sites to see if I can grab a box when I receive an email notification, but that's more for fun than anything else. Yes, I need to get out more. These AH's who are doing what I did during the last panic BUT ARE CLEANING OUT the shops with multiple visits in the same day to bypass the limit requirements using different clerks are creating an artificial scarcity of supply. If this were a real disaster/emergency and ammo was one of the things that would mean life or death, these guys would not do well. Aside from the ethical violations, there are laws against scalping in most places. If people want to call laws regulations and are impediments against Capitalism & the Free-Market, so be it. However, for anyone who has taken any type of university level courses beyond 100 level's, they will know that SOME regulations ARE required to create a sustainable system. So, this ain't real free-market what these jokers are doing. If everyone who is completely fed up with this scalping crap online, go buy some ammo from these guys. Get their info. Find out what their State Laws are. Give their State AG office a call. This "scarce" supply will disappear fairly quickly. I said IF. So, don't y'all go out and do that...
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