January 29, 2013, 07:30 PM | #1 |
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LaPierre Before Senate
NRA VP Wayne LaPierre will be testifying before a Senate hearing on gun violence Wednesday at 10:00AM. I assume this will be carried by CSPAN and possibly other news outlets.
The NRA is also requesting that supporters of the Second Amendment show up by 8:00AM to pack the hearing room. So, if you're in the DC area and have the ability consider attending. Oh yes, they make the point that you will have to pass thorugh security to get in the Capital, so leave that Super Redhawk in the car. http://www.nraila.org/legislation/fe...-and-nra!.aspx
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What is the purpose for this hearing?
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January 29, 2013, 07:54 PM | #3 |
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It is being held by the Senate Judiciary Committee and is titled, “What Should America Do About Gun Violence?”.
I assume there will be a lot of grandstanding by various Senators both pro and con Second Amendment. Also, they will hear from pro gun groups and also anti-gun groups. I do not believe they will be discussing specific pieces of legislation in detail, but I could be mistaken. Either way just offering a heads up for anyone interested.
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January 30, 2013, 08:23 AM | #4 |
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Pomp and Circumstance
This is the dog and pony show that the antis want to show. We are listening to both sides before we do what we want to do. I hope the NRA has a different game plan than using facts, because to the antis, facts don't mean anything. That actually hurt to say, but it sure feels that way. Facts, don't bore us with facts, we want emotions!
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January 30, 2013, 08:50 AM | #5 |
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Ditto what Qtiphky said. The only think I'd add is that if the NRA doesn't show up, they would hold the hearing anyway and there would be no one there to fact check the lies told by the antis.
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I wonder if Lapierre is going to throw the First Amendment under the bus while defending the Second, by continuing to blame movies and videogames for the gun violence.
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I'm hoping that Sen. Leahy allows a balanced set of viewpoints to be expressed today, I think he'll try after the email I got from his office yesterday (see the L&CR forum below)
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January 30, 2013, 11:28 AM | #9 |
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So far, each committee member is just asking loaded questions to get a selected answer to support their personal agenda. Both the pro's and anti's are equally.
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January 30, 2013, 11:36 AM | #10 |
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Congressional hearings are a waste of taxpayers money. They give members of congress an opportunity to mug before the cameras and demonstrate their 'knowledge'. They accomplish little other than that.
Reports are that Feinstein is unhappy about the witnesses for todays hearings so will hold her own separate hearings (kangaroo court). |
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LaPierre's testimony is here.
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There was audible booing and hissing during his speech. Feinstein grudgingly acknowledged that the roster of speakers was packed with anti-gun shills, and has promised her own round of supposedly impartial hearings. Senator Grassley asked Dave Kopel about the 1994 ban, to which Kopel repied, "it was tried with great sincerity ... but it didn't seem to save any lives that the researchers could find."
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A few observations: Minnesota Senator Amy Klobuchar starts her statement by acknowledging how important statistics are and then goes into a long list of emotional triggers ignoring the facts. Captain Kelly, the husband of Gabby Giffords, response to one question was so full of “maybe”, “might”, could’ve”, etc. that it was devoid of any real facts. Senator Klobuchar acknowledge it and then tried to somehow salvage what he had to say, but really couldn't. The Chief of Police from Baltimore was there representing several Law enforcement related organizations and calling for an AWB and the banning of magazines over 10 rounds. Senator Cruz of Texas showed him a chart indicated crime was much higher in his City and others with already restrictive gun laws than other Cities. He then asked the Chief to provide some data to support his position or to refute the data from the Justice Department. The Chief basically dodged the question entirely by basically parroting his previous statements. Also, although we tend to try and avoid partisanship on this site I am struck with how divided this seems to be along party lines. Admittedly I have not watched the entire thing, but it seemed that all the Democratic Senators were anti-gun. Did I miss any of them that seemed to make any real 2A supportive statements?
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US senator Sessions hit the Obama administration hard for refusing to enforce existing gun law.
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January 30, 2013, 02:12 PM | #16 |
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I did not see any of this, but
these things always have an ANTI outcome I feel that this is strictly a diversion, and the decisions have already been made in the back room.
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Here in Connecticut-- the deal is already done
no matter what us residents want... I don't care how many letters, emails, etc... Our two--- Murphy and Blumenthal you know what they are pushing.. Blumenthal introduced bills for background checks for ammo, and "Much Much More" need I say more ? tell me how this is unbiased, fair & equitable Don't blame me.. I didn't vote for them
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I posted this elsewhere in the General top sticky but look at:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/30/op...g-buddies.html Good ol' Texas GOP type doing the hunting and armor piercing bullet mantra. Until they vote, you can't trust anyone.
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Positive view
After reading the above comments, I feel like a Pollyanna! I thought the general tone was in keeping with our 2a views. I thought the Senators, particularly Sen Grassley gave the impression that they were not on board with proposals like Feinstein's, and wouldn't be pushed or rushed into anything of that ilk. I thought Wayne LaPierre did a much better job than the previous encounter. I'm actually encouraged by all this. Am I wacky on this?
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Mr. LaPierre, thanks. Much appreciated.
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What was up with Schumer? What game is he playing? He mulched about closing the gun show loophole and that was it.
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