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Old January 6, 2015, 11:56 AM   #51
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If all you're basing your selection process on is cost, you do limit yourself.

Beyond that, there are many quality .22s, several .38s, and so on that offer good triggers, usable sights, affordable & readily available ammunition, and factory/gunsmith support.

There's probably no better caliber in terms of component availability & pricing for a handloader than the .38, if the .22 isn't exciting enough, and you can find a frame size & grip option to fit almost any hand.

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Old January 6, 2015, 01:08 PM   #52
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The SA trigger and sights on my Nagant are very good.

A good supply of ammo is as close as my reloading room ....

If he does not buy this now, he'll regret it in 20 years.
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Old January 6, 2015, 01:27 PM   #53
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Oh good grief why did I even start this thread. I just ordered one. Curiosity got the best of me. Because they say these are dated in the '20's.
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Old January 6, 2015, 01:49 PM   #54
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They're fun, you should enjoy it.
I've had three.
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Old January 6, 2015, 02:04 PM   #55
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I've got a 39 Tula, I want to see what I get being these are supposed to be older.
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Old January 6, 2015, 02:09 PM   #56
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Oh heck, 20's??? That's before they used quality steel. Only shoot black powder in those...

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Old January 6, 2015, 02:12 PM   #57
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Mine is a 38 Tula. I had several but settled on this one for my collection.
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Old January 6, 2015, 03:04 PM   #58
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My oldest was a 1936.
Had two un-altered & one modified for the .32 S&W.
That one shaved like a barber.
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Old January 6, 2015, 03:30 PM   #59
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Denis, would a 9mm be fine? Or a .38 Special? Can you recommend some good ones I might find locally? Sorry for a bit of thread derailment.
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Old January 6, 2015, 03:54 PM   #60
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Mo,
You've already been through numerous discussions on this subject back when discussing your RG, PMs & open forum with members.
Re-visit those.

Just suggesting here the Nagant is an interesting historical side note, not the best for learning handgunning.
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Old January 6, 2015, 04:02 PM   #61
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Okay, I'll find one and get back to you
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Old January 7, 2015, 12:36 AM   #62
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I hand load the rounds gas sealed using cheapy Lee .30 carbine die. The bullet is 110gr copper plated for .30 carbine. Powder is trail boss. Shoots surprisingly well.

Managed to lighten the trigger pull by bending the main spring. DA is still astrocious as supposed. The screw trick is useless. It is not doing anything but limiting the trigger rest. But revolvers require complete trigger reset.

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Old January 7, 2015, 12:41 AM   #63
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Here is the deal...For the Nagant revolver you either have to purchase factory type ammo or do a bit of work to the gun. There is some book...I dont remember the title that states what you have to do. According to the book you had to turn 32-20 brass case heads so many thousands of an inch smaller. What I did is turb down the ratchet that same ammount so that
32-20 cases would chamber.

To use 32-20 case I run them trhough a M1 carbine die to remove the shoulder. You can load them flush with the case mouth like factory loads but what I have done is shortended my cases so that the crimped bullet fits the cylinder so it looks like a tapered shortened .32 H&R case.
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Old January 8, 2015, 12:27 AM   #64
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Here is the deal...For the Nagant revolver you either have to purchase factory type ammo or do a bit of work to the gun.
How can you say this is so with all the folks on here, including the post just before yours, and myself, that handload gas seal rounds for it?
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Old January 8, 2015, 11:20 AM   #65
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I've got the good dies to reload with, ammo is not an issue.

These pistols were $99 the last importation, now they've doubled in price. Good investment gun, should go higher once this run has disappeared into the great American gun market. Remember the $75 SKS and the $100 Norwegian Mauser?
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Old January 8, 2015, 12:00 PM   #66
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Remember the $75 SKS and the $100 Norwegian Mauser?
Yep, and the $69 Mosin M44 and M91/30; $89 Mosin M38; $117 CZ52; $150 P-64; the list goes on and on. *ALL* good investments.
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Old January 9, 2015, 09:31 AM   #67
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Yep, and the $69 Mosin M44 and M91/30; $89 Mosin M38; $117 CZ52; $150 P-64; the list goes on and on. *ALL* good investments.
Include my $41 to-my-door MAS 36 from Numrich!
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Old January 10, 2015, 11:00 AM   #68
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Mine is fun. I think it's a 1940's WWII one, if I recall correctly. It was factory reconditioned and looks really good.

I'm pretty sure it shot SW 32 long just fine.

It shoots okay single action, nothing to write home about.

The double action is truly the worst I have felt on any handgun ever.

It is cool to look at, historical, a good investment, and functional. It wouldn't be my first choice of handgun to defend myself with in an emergency, but it certainly wouldn't be the last on the list, either.


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Old January 11, 2015, 01:03 PM   #69
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I'm kind of torn between getting one of these from AIM.

They are 2x as expensive as they one were, and appear to not come with a lanyard. Not cool. But, I wanted one at one time... I'm just totally torn up and don't know what to do.
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They are 2x as expensive as they one were, and appear to not come with a lanyard. Not cool. But, I wanted one at one time... I'm just totally torn up and don't know what to do.
If you wait a bit, they will 4X as expensive next time they are available ..... if they are available at all!
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Old January 11, 2015, 08:21 PM   #71
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It is real simple...... you can put the gas seal back on if you use the factory cases but all that bending is going to decrease case life dramatically and Star 32-20 cases are expensive enough.
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Old January 11, 2015, 08:37 PM   #72
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It is real simple...... you can put the gas seal back on if you use the factory cases but all that bending is going to decrease case life dramatically and Star 32-20 cases are expensive enough.
I use the factory alright, but I reckon folding the case mouth is really unnecessary. I trim the case short enough not to impede the cylinder's rotation. It needs to be long enough to get inside the forcing cone when the revolver is cocked to form the seal. After the bullet is seated below mouth, the mouth needs to be closed up a bit to facilitate the seal. I found the best bullet for job be the plated bullet for 30 carbine. Its conical shape works best to form the seal.

It works well. I gain about 20% in speed.

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I found the best bullet for job be the plated bullet for 30 carbine.
What diameter is that bullet, tango?
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Old January 13, 2015, 08:40 AM   #74
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you can put the gas seal back on if you use the factory cases but all that bending is going to decrease case life dramatically
Simple solution to that: anneal them.

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Annealing, a highly technical process based on holding a case at mid point while rotating between the fingers and heating the case mouth at the tip of a propane flame until the pain reaches your brain and you are forced to let go. The case then falls into a pan of water waiting below. If you find your fingers will not let go of the brass, you have overheated the cases.
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http://www.realguns.com/archives/130.htm
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Old January 13, 2015, 09:32 AM   #75
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What diameter is that bullet, tango?
It is 0.308". I know it is smaller than the groove diameter, but it actually works the best amount all the thing I have tried. I certainly tried 32 cal, 0.312" to 0.313". They will not work for gas seal. The rounds will be too big to go into the cylinder.

Without the gas seal, the accuracy cannot be good. Nagant does not has tight throat as other revolvers. It needs the brass to guide the bullet. That's why 0.308" bullets with seal will do better than 0.312" without the seal. Also with bullets smaller than groove diameter, cast bullets don't work. They should be jacketed, plated, or powder coated.

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