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January 26, 2011, 08:37 AM | #26 |
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Beg to differ, about the K31.
It was never shot in a battle, this is true, but in the true spirit of "Si vis pacem para bellum" it was one or more K31 (or K11) in each Swiss home that allowed the Confoederatio to remain free during IIWW.... K. |
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Exactly ... in my view it's not a battle rifle or a rifle in the same class as those fielded by the Allied and Axis combatants of WW2; it didn't feature. Tiki.
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January 26, 2011, 09:25 AM | #28 |
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If you want to shoot them, add an M-1 Carbine, the ammo is reasonable.
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January 26, 2011, 09:58 PM | #31 |
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The best milsurp rifle?
Swedish Mauser, hands down. |
January 26, 2011, 10:06 PM | #32 | |
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That being said, and considering the relatively high cost I would say for a beginning collector any of the afore mentioned lower priced rifles are good starters.
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January 29, 2011, 01:16 AM | #33 |
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Milsurplover: If you can shoot well with the old open sights, you can buy a really good/exc. Yugo 24/47 Mauser, or 48 for about $200-250. The surplus ammo should still be about .25/rd., as it was last spring.
A company now advertises that their rear scope mount requires no (perm.) alteration for a short scout scope. GregM: I missed your comments earlier about the "Jungle Carbine". You had 'stolen my thunder', and finally saw where you state that it is also your favorite rifle. Just in case you are not too far, visits to my brother's outdoor club by Evansville always includes an Enfield #5 and the SKS. Last edited by Ignition Override; January 29, 2011 at 01:25 AM. |
January 30, 2011, 12:31 AM | #34 |
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For cost vs performance easily the K-31 or a Swedish Mauser in 6.5 Swede.
Garands are wonderful rifles but they are still very expensive from people being too proud of labels.
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January 30, 2011, 09:03 PM | #35 |
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I have a Mossberg M44, in .22LR, that was a military issued trainer and which I bought from the CMP as military surplus. Most people do not think of a rifle in .22LR as milsurp, but if they were military trainers then indeed they are milsurp. As for the M44, it is a great rifle, accurate as a tack driver, and was not that expensive. I do imagine though they have gone up in price more than a little bit since I got mine several years ago.
I also have a couple of Mosin Nagants - one M44 and a 91/30, a Yugoslavian SKS, and a Yugoslavian M24/47 in 8mm Mauser. M24/47 is pretty accurate and a strong rifle. I like it a lot. All are great rifles. I also owned a couple other SKS's and another Nagant M44 but sold them. Those are the milsurp rifles I can speak to through ownership. Of all of them, the Mossberg M44 is by far the best quality rifle and the best shooter. I would like to pick up a decent Enfield, bought a couple but returned them to the dealer because the crowns were badly scraped, sure would like another in nice shape. As for the best overall, I have not tried enough of em yet to be able to answer and any answer I could give would be very subjective to personal likes and dislikes. All the best, Glenn B
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No love for the Arisakas on the accuracy front?? My type 38 is scary accurate... My remington built Mosin Nagant m91 is really accurate and only the M39 Finn is comparable in the Mosin Family...
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1903a3... awesome awesome rifles!!
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February 3, 2011, 12:46 PM | #38 |
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Wow! Favorite (in my collection)?
History: 1895 Chilean M95 Mauser 1939 Soviet (Finnish capture) Tula Mosin 91/30 1917 LSA Enfield No.1 Mk. III Accuracy: 1945 Long Branch Enfield No.4 Mk.I* 1954 Spanish FR8 1954 Romanian Mosin M44 1954 HRA M1 Garand Just Plain Neat: 1945 Fazakerly No.5 Mk.I 1907 Soviet (Czech rework) Izhevsk Mosin 91/38 1942 Sako (1898 Sestroryetsk) Mosin M39 1904 Hopkins & Allen 12guage
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If we eliminate the K-31 then would we have to do the same thing to the Swedish Mauser? What counts as enough military use? The 6mm Lee Navy saw some limited use. Nothing like the Krag and the Krag was limited to a brief war and police actions. The French MAS 49 didn't see much action. If we go back to the black powder age there are several rifles that only saw colonial action (keeping the natives in their place). Personally I think the Swedish Mauser should be near the top of any list of quality milsurps. We should base our opinions on the quality of the rifle not that is chanced to be involved in a conflict. |
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Tikkirocker this is from the OP
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Err no ... here's me ...
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My comments regarding the K31 were an aside, I was making a distinction since the OP may want a rifle that has a proven combat record, both practically and historically speaking. As I said ... no room for straw men here. I also stated get em all, because many collectors I know have rifles of just about every type - including yours truly. Any rifle can be accurized with care and attention and parts and ammo can be found for all of them as well. The answer to the OP's question is 'how long is a piece of string?'. I gave my two penneth. If you can't abide differing views you may want to direct your replies to someone else. Tiki.
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You seem to have a similar trait. |
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Well now, it appears we've found a common trait - perhaps we can be friends after all ... Tiki.
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February 4, 2011, 10:33 AM | #45 |
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The best milsurp rifles
If you have the means, collect them all; if your shooting, consider your ammo expenses, esp. exotic calibers. I started collecting them a few years back, but finally, accepted my mistake; I should have collected M1s and M14s, the real battle rifles, and they are a beauty, and a joy to shoot at the range or in the field, plus 30-06 and 7.62x51 are easy to reload. I started teaching a batch of youths to become riflemen using .22s; they are now ready for the M1A (M14 clone), this Summer. These 2 rifles are my life (my partner) and I will be sharing them to this future riflemen. Part of the lesson will be the M14 receivers, I have in my collection, that was destroyed by our government. It will brings tears to a grown man seeing these so-called paperweights. I am really out of topic, but we need to save these rifles from destruction.
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February 7, 2011, 04:22 PM | #46 |
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No respectable collection would be complete, or even off to a good start for that matter, without an M1 Garand. They can be had relatively cheaply right now through the DCM/CMP. Join a club, shoot a match or 2 and you can buy one through the mail. If you really interested in collecting get you Curios and Relicts FFL. It costs $30 bucks and you can do it through the mail. Forms are down loadable off the internets for free. Now anyone can send you a any weapon that is over 50 years old and has collector value through via common carrier. I've bought Colt 1911 through the mail. The first time you don't have to pay an FFL for a transfer you've made your money back.
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Since you already have 91/30s, Finn M-39. Find out what the M-N really could have been. Check out MG42's aperature sight leaf and front sight set too. Cannot beat 7.62x54R for price and versatility.
But, you need to get your 03 and basically get one or three of all of them. Just keeping up with all the ammo gets to be a hobby of its own.
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This is a completely personal decision. I have a few milsurps. My favorites are the US Army milsurp rifle as I love the history that goes along with them. I currently have a M1 Garand and US Remington 1903A3. I still need a Krag, 1903, 1917, and M1 Carbine. When that is accomplished I will try to get one of each of the different manufacturers. Also, if I ever get the money, I would love one of the few M14s that managed to make it to civilian hands!
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Best value for the dollar? A walnut K31 with above average stock and VG+ barrel (inside), matching numbers across the rifle-including the bolt!
A soldier's tag would make a nice bonus...
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1903 Springfield
Mosin Nagant 91/59 Hungarian M-44 Thats what I have. I would one day like to add a FN Mauser and an M1 Garand |
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