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Old January 25, 2015, 07:31 AM   #1
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Why oh why do people continue to buy .380s?

There are now many quality 9's of the same form factor.
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Old January 25, 2015, 07:34 AM   #2
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Show me a 9MM the size of my CW380 (not 'almost' or 'nearly' the size, but actually as small) and then we can talk.



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Old January 25, 2015, 07:49 AM   #3
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Or a Pre-1968 Walther PPK (even the post 1968 gun control act PPKs is pretty compact.)

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Old January 25, 2015, 08:23 AM   #4
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If pockets allow, Kahr PM9.
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Old January 25, 2015, 08:24 AM   #5
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because a 9mm the size of the Glock 42 kicks too much.

why do people continue to buy 9mms when there are small sized 45s?
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Old January 25, 2015, 08:32 AM   #6
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Blow back firearms can be made smaller but fire lower pressure rounds. 9mm is high pressure round and only can be fired in a blow back with a massive slide like the Hi-Point. Only so small in a locked breach recoil operated.

From what I read the Kimber Micro is actually recoil operated, which would be an exception to the general rule in .380's. But that would seem to allow it to fire +p rounds with no issue.
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Old January 25, 2015, 09:01 AM   #7
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Because they want a 380, that is the only reason needed. I'm not sure why everyone gets so hung up on caliber? I think any gun is better than no gun at all (even the little 25acp).
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Old January 25, 2015, 09:15 AM   #8
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kahr Arms CW380
Caliber: .380 ACP
Capacity: 6+1
Operation: Trigger cocking DAO; lock breech; "Browning - type" recoil lug; passive striker block; no magazine disconnect
Barrel: 2.58", Conventional Rifling, 1 - 16 right-hand twist
Length O/A: 4.96"
Height: 3.9"
Slide Width: .75"
Weight: Pistol 10.2 ounces (w/o magazine)
Grips: Textured polymer
Sights: Drift adjustable white bar-dot combat rear sight, pinned in polymer front sight
Finish: Black polymer frame, matte stainless steel slide
Magazine: 1 - 6 rd, Stainless
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kahr Arms PM9
Caliber: 9mm
Capacity: 6+1, 7+1 (magazine with grip extension)
Operation: Trigger cocking DAO; lock breech; "Browning - type" recoil lug; passive striker block; no magazine disconnect
Barrel: 3.1", polygonal rifling; 1 - 10 right-hand twist
Length O/A: 5.42"
Height: 4.0"
Slide Width: .90"
Weight: Pistol 14 ounces, Magazine 1.9 ounces
Grips: Textured polymer
Sights: Drift adjustable, white bar-dot combat sights
Finish: Black polymer frame, matte stainless steel slide
Magazines: 2 - 6 rd flush floorplate & 1 - 7 rd extended grip
Close, but the edge goes to the CW380. Problem is my pockets really fit this gun best:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Keltec P32
Calibers: 32 AUTO
Weight unloaded: 6.6 oz. 186g
Loaded magazine: 2.8 oz. 81g
Length: 5.1" 129mm
Height: 3.5" 89mm
Width: .75" 19mm
Barrel Length: 2.7" 68mm
Sight radius: 3.8" 97mm
Muzzle Energy Max: 200ft-lbs 270J
Capacity: 7 + 1 rounds
Trigger Pull: 5 lbs 23N
Also, my shot to shot times are great and accuracy is good shooting my C380. I'm not sure I could do that with a PM9. It's recoil is bound to be snappier. It's price is snappier also!
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Old January 25, 2015, 09:23 AM   #9
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95% of the time I carry a 45ACP (Sig P220 or XDs). I bought the Sig 238 on an impulse (deep discount on a NIB) and honestly it's my "honey can you run to the store and get" ...drop in the gym shorts pocket gun. I also know myself, if I had purchased a 9mm pocket pistol, it would have opened a whole new world of 9mm firearms - which may not be a bad thing, but I didn't want to tempt myself on further expansion of my collection.

If not for the 380, I would do the honey trips without a firearm as its too much trouble to change and strap on the holster for a 5 minute trip.
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Old January 25, 2015, 09:28 AM   #10
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From what I read the Kimber Micro is actually recoil operated, which would be an exception to the general rule in .380's. But that would seem to allow it to fire +p rounds with no issue.
It sure looks to me like the Kimber Micro is pretty much a clone of the Colt Mustang. The only difference I see is that Kimber went with a removable mainspring housing -- a feature I happen to like. See photos in post #17

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=557818
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Old January 25, 2015, 09:36 AM   #11
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Are there any 9's of the same form factor?

I've yet to find on the same size as my LCP in the 275 dollar range. The CM9 is the closest in size I suppose, but is it as reliable???
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Old January 25, 2015, 09:46 AM   #12
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It's called disposable income. People can buy the darndest things with extra money laying around! It's their money, they want something different, they need a new toy.

Why do people post questions just to start conversations?

There are certainly small compact 380s that are easier to carry with no 9mm option in the same size.
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Old January 25, 2015, 09:50 AM   #13
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Why should anyone have to justify buying any caliber?
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Old January 25, 2015, 09:51 AM   #14
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Why oh why do people continue to buy .380s?
Because they don't make the P232 in 9mm.
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Old January 25, 2015, 09:52 AM   #15
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My .380 has a very cute/camouflaged name, it's called 9 mm. Makarov. 12+1 too.
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Old January 25, 2015, 09:52 AM   #16
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I personally don't like the .380, but they sure do make some tempting guns. I have to stop myself all the time. even though I don't like .380, I am not going to look down on someone elses decision to buy one. I am sure they would do just fine in a defense scenario that likely isn't going to even happen in the first place.

.380's I wish were 9's

p232
baby glock
pico
micro desert eagle
Taurus curve(for the wife of course)
there is plenty more, but .380s have a great price point for a perfect carry size gun, also, even though they make 9mms small enough to carry, most of the tiny ones are junk. unless your going to drop 500-ish, it's hard to find a quality micro 9mm.
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Old January 25, 2015, 09:52 AM   #17
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Honestly, it's none of your business.... worry about something else.
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Old January 25, 2015, 09:53 AM   #18
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Why?

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Why oh why do people continue to buy .380s?

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There are now many quality 9's of the same form factor.
Recoil.
They like the 380 cartridge.
They like the 380 firearms.

'Nuff said?

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Old January 25, 2015, 10:30 AM   #19
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Because the Sig P238 and Beretta 84 are in .380.



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Old January 25, 2015, 10:46 AM   #20
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Because the Sig P238 and Beretta 84 are in .380.
How long did it take before you finally stopped trying to stick the mag in the P238 backwards?! I kept trying to put it in backwards, Just seems so unnatural to me...lol.
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Old January 25, 2015, 10:46 AM   #21
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The Recoil snap is bad enough in the Feg 380 I sold to my son. It would be downright painful if a 9mm could be stuffed in that Walther clone frame. That's why I prefer a heavier piece.
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Old January 25, 2015, 10:58 AM   #22
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Because a LCP loaded with golddots doesn't pull my gym shorts down like my loaded LC9 or PM9 does.

Why are you trying to start another 380 bashing thread on a Sunday morning?
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Old January 25, 2015, 11:05 AM   #23
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.380 is a great carry round. Fact is that for concealed carry it is hard to find a 9mm that fits in a suitcoat pocket. My P238 does and that is why I carry it. And it is reliable and accurate. The .380 round is plenty potent. End of opinion.
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Old January 25, 2015, 11:13 AM   #24
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It's so strange to see gun owners trying to control what other gun owners should own..............
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Old January 25, 2015, 11:15 AM   #25
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Because my P3AT is so much smaller and lighter than any 9mm.

I am a revolver guy and prefer my 38 snub, but for shorts and a t-shirt nothing I have can beat the P3AT for easy and convenient concealment.
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