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December 5, 2008, 02:13 PM | #1 |
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National Parks - good news
Looks like we can score one for the good guys. The Federal Gov't Department of the Interior has decided to simply expand state concealed carry policies to the federal reserves within them. If you can carry in your state, you can carry in the parks.
http://www.doi.gov/news/08_News_Releases/120508.html |
December 5, 2008, 02:22 PM | #2 |
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I'm just going to stand here stunned for a few moments.
and then I'm going to load 10 rounds of .45 to go in the gun I carry while camping! This has been my top "activist" cause for a few years. It's a little surreal for it to be over! Link: http://www.nraila.org/News/Read/News....aspx?ID=11895 The US Dept announcement http://www.doi.gov/news/08_News_Releases/120508.html Last edited by ZeSpectre; December 5, 2008 at 02:47 PM. |
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I've been reading the text. Apparently the Heller case gave this whole thing a great big SHOVE in the right direction.
I could just KISS Mr. Heller (though I think I'll leave that to our prettier female memebers ) |
December 5, 2008, 03:25 PM | #4 |
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Excellent and huzzah!
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Holy COW folks, you have GOT to read the document!
They Cite Warren vs DC ("the government and it's agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any particular individual citizen") and they also acknowledge that there is no way 3,000 NPS officers can realistically police millions of acres of parks. I am literally STUNNED to hear that admission (though they still deny that Heller had anything to do with their decision...ya right, pull the other one). http://www.doi.gov/issues/Final%20Rule.pdf (warning, pdf file) |
December 5, 2008, 05:27 PM | #6 |
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Gun carry in National Parks approved
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28072607/
I haven't seen this posted but the ban on guns in National Parks has been eased. |
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Ah, I've just seen this is posted over in L&CR. The other post beat this by about 3 hours, so... Threads merged.
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We know that the sky will not fall into the Yosemite Valley over this. Citizens will once again demonstrate that we can be trusted with this right in the 21st century, just as we could be trusted in the 18th, 19th and 20th. Last edited by maestro pistolero; December 5, 2008 at 06:32 PM. |
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Responses to questions in the closed thread over in the General Discussion forum.
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If you cannot, by law, carry in BLM and National Forests now, this will have no effect. But suppose you have a concealed permit and you travel to Wyoming to visit Yellostone (which is mostly located in WY, but some of it is in ID & MT - similar CC laws, though), you would be allowed to carry concealed as WY, ID and MT recognize your States permit (even though your State may not recognize ours). - Research the CC laws of the State you are going to visit. Do not take my word for it. This would not work if you were going to Yosemite, however. Since CA does not recognize any other States permits. In the thread linked above, Casimer links to the discussion at The Volokh Conspiracy, where you not only can read the many answers. Here is that link. There is a link to download the rule change. It's an 800KB PDF file, but it contains all the answers to your questions. |
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While Brady preaches "common sense approach" their tactics show a total lack of said common sense. For example: Making guns legal in the park will cause crime to go up therefore legal guns cause people to break the law. Making guns illegal in parks will therefore make parks safe. In other words, people who aren't afraid of the legal and moral ramifications of robbing or shooting someone will be swayed from doing so because its illegal to carry in a park? After all, we've seen how gun free zones are working out. Calling something the "common sense approach" does not make it so. In my opinion, the Bush admin did the only common sense thing by allowing CCW in national parks.
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will this have any effect on for instance...a shotgun in a truck gun rack, or is the law only being relaxed as far as concealed weapons?
also...any chance that this will also cause the post office regulations to go under closer scrutiny, as they are also federal property?
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It has been published in the Federal Registry. It's effective 9 Jan.
Question, does this apply to parks run by USACE Last edited by rwilson452; December 17, 2008 at 09:30 PM. Reason: change aces to USACE |
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Rocky Mountain Gun owners http://www.rmgo.org is checking the law to see whether one may carry a firearm in their conveyance in Rocky Mountain National Park without a permit.
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From the DOJ Q&A webpage on this ruling:
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I received this from my local ACE
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This take effect on the 5th or 6th of January, correct? i have found articles listing both dates.
Jimpeel...I am still curious about the loaded rifle/shotgun issue if you hear or run across anything additional that may apply. i have a CCW so a pistol is obviously covered. Virginia statute seems to allow me driving my work truck with a loaded long gun, back and forth from my place of business as a shopowner. its been broke into before, and there have been more recent breakins a few hundred yards down the road at a friends business. so i am just wondering if the parks are accepting the firearms laws of the states in all regards...or only with respect to CCW. from Virginia law: § 15.2-915.2. Regulation of transportation of a loaded rifle or shotgun. any person who reasonably believes that a loaded rifle or shotgun is necessary for his personal safety in the course of his employment or business.
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As I understand it the effective data is 9 Jan. After reading it, it only affects concealed carry.
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This is absolutely asinine. But what else can we expect from The Brady Bunch? From the New West Network:
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That is very good news. I have avoided national parks for awhile now because of this very issue. Looks like I can stop doing that.
I cannot say for certain, but I am betting that a lot of people that enjoy national parks are also firearms people. Maybe they will now be able to reinvigorate their declining revenues somewhat. |
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There is no provision for concealed carry in DC, therefore carrying anywhere there regardless if it's on park lands or not, is still illegal. Ditto for Ellis Island or any other park located in states that prohibit Right-to-Carry. Funny how when all the facts are considered we manage to eek out a win and the Brady/VPC puke always have to use lies and deception to get their arguements heard.
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