Some questions about the S&W models 10-6 and 13

Anibal · October 29, 2012, 10:15 AM

I know between 1972 and 1974 some S&W revolvers models 10-6 were chambered in .357 caliber and were the first model 13s, but I want to know something about them:

Those 10-6 chambered .357 Magnum:
Were they recessed?
Did they have longer cylinders and shorter forcing cones?

I suppose the 10-6 chambered in .38 special weren´t recessed and have normal size forcing cones and cylinders as any other model 10, am I right?
And what about the first models 13 were they recessed?

bamabiker · October 29, 2012, 08:28 PM

The SCSW, 3rd edition says this of the M10-6...
"In 1972 several thousand were chambered in .357 Magnum for the N.Y.S.P. with a 4" heavy barrel with pinned barrel. Predecessor to the Model 13 with a counterbored cylinder measuring 1.67" in length with a somewhat flattened top strap and a sandblast blue finish. This variation is fitted with a smooth .400" combat trigger and .375" checked hammer. Fitted with plainclothes grips. Notched front sight, frame marked 10-6, "357 Magnum" on the barrel. No known police markings."
I hope this helps.

Flint Ridge · October 29, 2012, 09:54 PM

Not too many of the .357 10-6's around.

Early 13's were all P&R up to the 13-3 models in what 1983'ish.

Here is my only 13, a 13-2 Nickel, really nice fixed sights.

Anibal · October 30, 2012, 01:57 PM

Thanks both of you for your answers.

And obviously the models 10-6 chambered 38 special weren´t recessed, were they?

What a beautiful revolver Flint Ridge.

carguychris · October 30, 2012, 02:21 PM

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And obviously the models 10-6 chambered 38 special weren´t recessed, were they?

Reread the SCSW excerpt posted by bamabiker...

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Predecessor to the Model 13 with a counterbored cylinder measuring 1.67" in length with a somewhat flattened top strap and a sandblast blue finish.

(emphasis mine)

Counterbored = recessed, it's an interchangeable term for the same thing.

I've never seen one of the NYSP .357 M10-6's but everything I've ever read about these guns seems to indicate that they are identical to an early 4" M13 in pretty much every respect except the model number designation.

Anibal · October 30, 2012, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Reread the SCSW excerpt posted by bamabiker...

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Predecessor to the Model 13 with a counterbored cylinder measuring 1.67" in length with a somewhat flattened top strap and a sandblast blue finish

Yes, I think I did understand this part, but it refers to model 10-6 chambered .357 Magnum (.357/38). And it was logical to me that they were recessed as any other Magnum of this period of time.

But they were some 10-6 models chambered in .38 Special only, and I think those ones were not recessed.

I know it is a stupid question.

bamabiker · October 30, 2012, 07:22 PM

The M10-6 started in 1962 when the trigger guard screw was eliminated on the heavy barrel model and I'm sure there were many made in 38 Spl. without recessed cylinders.

carguychris · October 30, 2012, 07:50 PM

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But they were some 10-6 models chambered in .38 Special only, and I think those ones were not recessed.

That is correct, the .38Spl guns do not have recessed cylinders. My bad.

Anibal · October 30, 2012, 08:51 PM

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That is correct, the .38Spl guns do not have recessed cylinders. My bad.

Never mind. Otherwise I am very gratefull you take your time to help me.

**Mike Irwin** · October 30, 2012, 09:08 PM

I have seen two Model 10s that went to the NYSP. They are virtually identical to the Model 10s in .38 Special except for the recessed cylinder.

Supposedly the topstrap on the Model 13 was slightly strengthened (I guess thickened) based on the NYSP's experience with the guns.

There was also a limited number of Model 10s made in 9mm, and a limited number of Model 13s made in.... .38 Special for a Thai police order.

Why they didn't just order Model 10s...

Anibal · October 30, 2012, 10:27 PM

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have seen two Model 10s that went to the NYSP. They are virtually identical to the Model 10s in .38 Special except for the recessed cylinder.

Supposedly the topstrap on the Model 13 was slightly strengthened (I guess thickened) based on the NYSP's experience with the guns.

When you said virtually identical to the models 10s in .38 Special except for the recessed cylinder, did you mean the cylinder is not 1/8 inches longer as the models 13s are?

**Mike Irwin** · October 31, 2012, 09:07 AM

I meant that eyeball examination showed them to be easily mistaken for a Model 10 in .38, until you opened the cylinder and saw the recessed chambers.

The cylinder had to be lengthened, that's a simple physical requirement because of the length of the .357 Mag. round, but that doesn't really stand out to the casual user.

Anibal · October 31, 2012, 09:49 AM

Thanks that what I wanted to know. It is logical to me too that they must to have a longer cylinder.

October 29, 2012, 10:15 AM	#1
Anibal Senior Member Join Date: November 30, 2004 Posts: 145	Some questions about the S&W models 10-6 and 13 I know between 1972 and 1974 some S&W revolvers models 10-6 were chambered in .357 caliber and were the first model 13s, but I want to know something about them: Those 10-6 chambered .357 Magnum: Were they recessed? Did they have longer cylinders and shorter forcing cones? I suppose the 10-6 chambered in .38 special weren´t recessed and have normal size forcing cones and cylinders as any other model 10, am I right? And what about the first models 13 were they recessed?

October 30, 2012, 09:08 PM	#10
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,390	I have seen two Model 10s that went to the NYSP. They are virtually identical to the Model 10s in .38 Special except for the recessed cylinder. Supposedly the topstrap on the Model 13 was slightly strengthened (I guess thickened) based on the NYSP's experience with the guns. There was also a limited number of Model 10s made in 9mm, and a limited number of Model 13s made in.... .38 Special for a Thai police order. Why they didn't just order Model 10s... __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

October 31, 2012, 09:07 AM	#12
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,390	I meant that eyeball examination showed them to be easily mistaken for a Model 10 in .38, until you opened the cylinder and saw the recessed chambers. The cylinder had to be lengthened, that's a simple physical requirement because of the length of the .357 Mag. round, but that doesn't really stand out to the casual user. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

October 29, 2012, 08:28 PM	#2
bamabiker Senior Member Join Date: September 26, 2008 Posts: 100	The SCSW, 3rd edition says this of the M10-6... "In 1972 several thousand were chambered in .357 Magnum for the N.Y.S.P. with a 4" heavy barrel with pinned barrel. Predecessor to the Model 13 with a counterbored cylinder measuring 1.67" in length with a somewhat flattened top strap and a sandblast blue finish. This variation is fitted with a smooth .400" combat trigger and .375" checked hammer. Fitted with plainclothes grips. Notched front sight, frame marked 10-6, "357 Magnum" on the barrel. No known police markings." I hope this helps.

October 29, 2012, 09:54 PM	#3
Flint Ridge Senior Member Join Date: December 22, 2009 Location: Flint Ridge, Missouri Posts: 225	Not too many of the .357 10-6's around. Early 13's were all P&R up to the 13-3 models in what 1983'ish. Here is my only 13, a 13-2 Nickel, really nice fixed sights.

October 30, 2012, 01:57 PM	#4
Anibal Senior Member Join Date: November 30, 2004 Posts: 145	Thanks both of you for your answers. And obviously the models 10-6 chambered 38 special weren´t recessed, were they? What a beautiful revolver Flint Ridge.

October 30, 2012, 07:22 PM	#7
bamabiker Senior Member Join Date: September 26, 2008 Posts: 100	The M10-6 started in 1962 when the trigger guard screw was eliminated on the heavy barrel model and I'm sure there were many made in 38 Spl. without recessed cylinders.

October 31, 2012, 09:49 AM	#13
Anibal Senior Member Join Date: November 30, 2004 Posts: 145	Thanks that what I wanted to know. It is logical to me too that they must to have a longer cylinder.