.410 slugs in Raging Judge Magnum

Rmagnum1183 · August 28, 2014, 11:38 PM

has anyone extensively tested this load? I have shot 45 colt and 454 casull through a scope and hit paper, but when i shoot the .410 slugs i dont hit paper at all.. thoughts?

Micahweeks · August 29, 2014, 04:48 AM

I've shot a 410 slug out of one of these guns, but I don't remember if it was the regular judge or the Raging one or what. I remember that it shot ridiculously high.

DPris · August 29, 2014, 11:29 AM

If you think about it, a .410 slug is way undersized for a .45-caliber bore.
Hollow-based Foster style slugs can bump up with ignition pressures, but they're not built for accuracy in a .45-caliber rifled barrel.

Actual slug diameter varies from maker to maker, and can be even smaller than .41 caliber.

The Judge platform is a compromise.
It produces low-velocity results with buck and a rapid short-range spread, indifferent accuracy & low energy figure with lightweight undersized slugs, and generally isn't all that accurate with .45 Colt loads.

It can shoot three different types of ammunition, but not particularly well with any of them.
Denis

walks with gun · August 29, 2014, 08:28 PM

Sorry but I've always thought the whole 410 revolver concept was a freak. I think they were intended for people who are not really hard core shooters. I 've shot some belonging to others and have not been impressed. Loaded with buck or heavy shot I could see them useful in a small room or if you lived somewhere carjackings were common. Ouch.

Cosmodragoon · August 29, 2014, 11:34 PM

I think the idea of a hand-held light shot gun is wonderful. I think the models we've got exist under some legal technicality from a blatantly unconstitutional law that is mashing up the market. I'd gladly buy one that was strictly and optimally fitted for .410. Sadly, I don't have the opportunity.

That said, the OP wants to know about slugs. I'd remind the OP what a slug is for shotguns and ask if a properly loaded round of .45 Colt doesn't suffice here. After all, this is a .45 that happens to shoot .410...

Onward Allusion · August 30, 2014, 12:03 AM

.410 slug is about .387. A .45LC has a slug diameter of .452.

It's kind of like shooting a 22LR bullet out of a Ruger Single Six Convertible (22LR/22Mag), except a heck of a lot worst. You're losing accuracy and energy by shooting a 410 slug out of something that can also shoot 45LC.

Stick to 45LC or 454 out of that gun. 410 out of 'em is a waste.

DPris · August 30, 2014, 12:54 AM

Slug diameters vary, I've measured three or four.
All will be grossly undersized for a .45-caliber bore, regardless of maker.
All will also provide worse accuracy & lower energy figures & lesser penetration than a full-bore solid .45 bullet at a much heavier weight.

I see no reason whatever to use a .410 slug, unless it's all you have.
Why bother?
Denis

August 28, 2014, 11:38 PM	#1
Rmagnum1183 Member Join Date: July 24, 2014 Posts: 25	.410 slugs in Raging Judge Magnum has anyone extensively tested this load? I have shot 45 colt and 454 casull through a scope and hit paper, but when i shoot the .410 slugs i dont hit paper at all.. thoughts?

August 30, 2014, 12:03 AM	#6
Onward Allusion Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2009 Location: Back in a Non-Free State Posts: 3,133	.410 slug is about .387. A .45LC has a slug diameter of .452. It's kind of like shooting a 22LR bullet out of a Ruger Single Six Convertible (22LR/22Mag), except a heck of a lot worst. You're losing accuracy and energy by shooting a 410 slug out of something that can also shoot 45LC. Stick to 45LC or 454 out of that gun. 410 out of 'em is a waste. __________________ Simple as ABC . . . Always Be Carrying

August 29, 2014, 04:48 AM	#2
Micahweeks Senior Member Join Date: February 21, 2009 Location: North Mississippi Posts: 854	I've shot a 410 slug out of one of these guns, but I don't remember if it was the regular judge or the Raging one or what. I remember that it shot ridiculously high.

August 29, 2014, 11:29 AM	#3
DPris Member Emeritus Join Date: August 19, 2004 Posts: 7,133	If you think about it, a .410 slug is way undersized for a .45-caliber bore. Hollow-based Foster style slugs can bump up with ignition pressures, but they're not built for accuracy in a .45-caliber rifled barrel. Actual slug diameter varies from maker to maker, and can be even smaller than .41 caliber. The Judge platform is a compromise. It produces low-velocity results with buck and a rapid short-range spread, indifferent accuracy & low energy figure with lightweight undersized slugs, and generally isn't all that accurate with .45 Colt loads. It can shoot three different types of ammunition, but not particularly well with any of them. Denis

August 29, 2014, 08:28 PM	#4
walks with gun Senior Member Join Date: August 20, 2014 Location: northern Mn. Posts: 271	Sorry but I've always thought the whole 410 revolver concept was a freak. I think they were intended for people who are not really hard core shooters. I 've shot some belonging to others and have not been impressed. Loaded with buck or heavy shot I could see them useful in a small room or if you lived somewhere carjackings were common. Ouch.

August 29, 2014, 11:34 PM	#5
Cosmodragoon Senior Member Join Date: March 18, 2013 Location: Northeastern US Posts: 1,869	I think the idea of a hand-held light shot gun is wonderful. I think the models we've got exist under some legal technicality from a blatantly unconstitutional law that is mashing up the market. I'd gladly buy one that was strictly and optimally fitted for .410. Sadly, I don't have the opportunity. That said, the OP wants to know about slugs. I'd remind the OP what a slug is for shotguns and ask if a properly loaded round of .45 Colt doesn't suffice here. After all, this is a .45 that happens to shoot .410...

August 30, 2014, 12:54 AM	#7
DPris Member Emeritus Join Date: August 19, 2004 Posts: 7,133	Slug diameters vary, I've measured three or four. All will be grossly undersized for a .45-caliber bore, regardless of maker. All will also provide worse accuracy & lower energy figures & lesser penetration than a full-bore solid .45 bullet at a much heavier weight. I see no reason whatever to use a .410 slug, unless it's all you have. Why bother? Denis