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January 20, 2013, 12:29 PM | #1 |
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New York 8 round revolvers?
I was thinking ,
So what will happen with people with a nice 8 shot revolver in NY if 7 rounds is max? Will this apply to revolvers? Does not affect me but I was just thinking and hoping no one else gets this stupid.
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January 20, 2013, 12:57 PM | #2 |
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I've wondered the same thing, and started a thread on it.
I'm in NY and was just about to buy a Ruger Single 10. I won't be doing that until there's some clarity on whether or not this capacity ban affects revolvers. Right now, despite what some people are saying, the law is not very clear. |
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I think there is a loop hole so to speak as far as if you already own one it is legal. So far that I know it is still against the law for them to make one give up a gun that was legal at the time they bought it. Kinda like the pre ban guns that sold during the AWB from 1994 till 2004.
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January 20, 2013, 01:30 PM | #4 |
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The revolver doesn't have a detachable magazine. It doesn't meet the definition of the law.
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If you revolver has an 8rnd+ magazine, then you fall under the new law. If it doesn't (much more likely), then that law doesn't apply. I've looked at the text, and while it does mention fixed magazines, it is aimed at detetchable mags, and doesn't mention revolvers, as far as I can recall...
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Sounds to me like the smart thing to do would be move to a state that still pays some attention to the Constitution...but YMMV.
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Someone on Arfcom contacted the NY State Police and they were told that firearms with a fixed magazine Shotguns, SKS rifles, etc. that held more then seven rounds possessed before the passage of the law could still be possessed, but could not be loaded with more then 7 rounds.
I would guess they will say the same about 8 shot revolvers.
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January 20, 2013, 04:36 PM | #9 |
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"feeding devices" over 7 round capacity
My son lives in NY and has an SKS.
He "thinks" that as long as his stripper clips only have 7 rounds at a time he'll be GTG, but I'm not sure how this crappy new "for the safety of our children" law will affect these EVIL FEEDING DEVICES. Just putting it out there. |
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http://www.governor.ny.gov/2013/gun-reforms-faq
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January 20, 2013, 08:49 PM | #11 |
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Hhmmm....The TX Attorney General has invited all freedom-loving New Yorkers to move to TX with their guns. I never thought I'd hear a Texan do anything other than attempt to discourage further yankee immigration into the state. Very strange times in which we're living.--Patrice
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January 20, 2013, 09:21 PM | #12 |
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So an 8-round moon clip would make it illegal, but a 7 round moonclip (which would leave one chamber empty) would be legal?
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We get tons of Californians here in Montana. The problem is we're getting the ones who couldn't stand to wallow in their own mire (crime, taxes and whatnot). So the first thing they do is fight to have the laws changed to the ones they left??? They say it's for our own good, but when you ask them why they left? they simply reply, "to raise my kids in a better environment".
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January 20, 2013, 11:10 PM | #14 |
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So sad to hear what's happening in NY....8 shooters are awesome !
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Should hear a lot more info when the State Police hotline goes live today to answer questions. |
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Just get involved, be vocal and vote these Jack-nuts out of office.
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Amazingly, I just got through to the NYS Police Hotline that just opened today, after multiple attempts. I asked them about the legality of revolvers with a greater-than-7 capacity. THEY DON'T KNOW. The officer on the phone asked someone else. They didn't know. She took my name and number and said "That is a great question, and we will call you back with an answer." Wow. It's really bad that the State Police still don't know. |
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First, the wording of the law prohibiting the new commercial sale of LCAFD's does not explicitly exempt a device that is integral with the firearm. Second, the definition of a LCAFD includes a "drum... or similar device...", which IMHO could be construed to include a revolver cylinder, but it's really hard to tell; it's unclear at this point how the NY state authorities will interpret the law. IANAL, but AFAIK an LCAFD is supposed to be registered just like an assault weapon would be. This has been discussed at length in L&CR in this thread: http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=512679 Quote:
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Want to stay on topic. Who move where to escape tyranny is not a topic in this thread. And then you complain because people do that? How many times do we have responses to move?
Hush on that. BTW, with a quick reading - you can have higher capacity mags in antique guns? Meaning 50 years or older. That's 1963. So Browning Hi-powers are legit if made before then? They seem evil to me. I'm confused. SW Model 39 with 8 round mags came out before 1963. Did I miss that you have to download and modify those mags.
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Is the cylinder considered an integral part of the revolver? You could have a pocket full of cylinders just waiting to drop in. Also speed loaders could be used. This is exactly what happens when people who know nothing of a subject try to make laws regarding said subject.
One of the Legislative woman in NJ (missed her name, think it was Beck) made a comment that "I would hate to see a deer or rabbit shot with a automatic rifle". Although I would tend to agree, automatics or rifles are not legal to hunt with in NJ. Semi auto shotguns are. They are probably the most commonly used deer gun in NJ. Once again she will get to make the law.
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Would the speed loaders for those 8 shot revolvers be considered the "illegal" part of the story?
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I pointed out in one of the L&CR threads that Luger P.08 32rd "Trommelmagazin" drum mags are apparently legal, as they have been out of production for well over 50 years.
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January 21, 2013, 12:23 PM | #24 |
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Oh, I went slightly off but not as off as a discussion of who should move to where and why not.
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The good news- if you can call it that- is that the LCAFD regulations have a "Curio or Relic" (or, not and!) exception for units over 50 years old, so regardless of how the regulation is finally enacted, pre-1963 rimfire 8-9 shot H&R's, High Standards, etc. should still be legal to bring into NY and won't require registration.
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