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August 10, 2006, 05:24 PM | #76 |
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Ha! First Steps... "see that button on your fancy german pistol... that's the magazine release. Nope, not the slide release, the button. No, now keep your finger off that, that's the trigger..."
Is that pretty much how it went down? A JPFO member who carries a Walther of all things... Interesting. |
August 10, 2006, 06:05 PM | #77 |
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At least he called you "cupcake"!
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August 10, 2006, 06:06 PM | #78 |
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"Ha! First Steps... "see that button on your fancy german pistol... that's the magazine release. Nope, not the slide release, the button. No, now keep your finger off that, that's the trigger..."
Is that pretty much how it went down? A JPFO member who carries a Walther of all things... Interesting." Alright hotshot, you just made quite a few assumptions, none of which is right. You assumed that I am a member of JPFO. I am not. Judging by your suggesting me as a dichotomy for being a JPFO member and carrying a German gun, you seem to assume that I am Jewish. I am not. I can only guess you assumed I was Jewish because you assumed I was a member of JPFO. Thus you assumed that only Jews can be members of JPFO. That is not the case. From the JPFO website: To answer a question we get frequently: You do NOT have to be Jewish to join! http://www.jpfo.org/member.htm Finally, you assumed I will be carrying the p99 because that was what I used to qualify. That may or may not be true. To sum up, I do not belong to JPFO. I am German, by descent, but that has nothing to do with my German gun (actually, it wasn't made in Germany, I don't think). I am Christian, not Jewish. JPFO is open to anyone who supports their cause. I most likely will be carrying a Glock 22. "First Steps isn't meant or designed to be a "CCW Course"." When I signed up, they had it listed as their CCW course. When I took it, it was their first steps course. The course was ENTIRELY about carrying concealed. That leads me to believe that their first steps pistol course IS meant to be for CCW. |
August 10, 2006, 06:11 PM | #79 |
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Jeez, sorry... You were the one praising the JPFO and calling the NRA pro-gun-control.
I suspected you were not a descendent of Gideon anyway. Those fine folks tend to try to agressively change a situation they find distasteful, rather than whining endlessly with no action. I like cupcakes |
August 10, 2006, 06:31 PM | #80 |
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Well 8bird, I'm not about to pile on here...but I would like to know why you also post as WoodsWally. That just doesn't seem right. Heck, it may even be against the rules.
OK, sorry...I guess I will pile on a bit; Any favorable word, or whatever kind of mealymouthed compliment you gave Gore, ...who was VP for one of the most anti 2nd Ammendment administrations ever,... goes against my grain. At least Bush is pro-gun. Right WoodsWally? |
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http://www.nrahq.org/education/train...ictraining.asp
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August 10, 2006, 06:58 PM | #82 |
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Here is a link to the virginia stat police website...
http://www.vsp.state.va.us/cjis_cwp.htm Technically, this course appears to satisfy the "proof of competence" in VA for ccw. However, it's the most rudimentary of all the NRA courses. NRA does not refer to it as ccw... |
August 10, 2006, 07:06 PM | #83 |
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Also...
You thought you were going to get CCW instruction, but took a gun with you that you don't intend to carry? I'm confused about so many things in this conversation I don't know where to start... |
August 10, 2006, 07:18 PM | #84 |
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the course I took was called FIRST Steps and Concealed Firearms Training, or something to that effect (I don't have the certificate with me). We didn't have to bring our own pistols nor did we have to take any tests. The instructor was NRA certified, but I don't think the class was strictly based on NRA directives alone. We also got a hefty book out of it, with a lot of legality discussion. The beginning actually covered a good deal of tactics for avoidance, et c. I am going for his intensive one-day intermediate training class at their private range near PKD off 95. Ought to be pretty fun.
He did state at the beginning of the lecture that he was required to offer the live fire training, though it was not necessary to take part. v8- I know how you feel regarding what you should/could have done/do, but in the end water doesn't go from the sink back into the spigot. You're doing what you think is right, though a POLITE (and I emphasize POLITE) letter to the above-mentioned higher-ups would probably do some good for noobs taking the class down the road. Snail mail would be preferable to email because emails just get lost and or filtered out by spamblockers.
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August 10, 2006, 07:57 PM | #85 |
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I think he is in a state where any basic course is an acceptable prerequisite for a CCW. I recently relocated to Florida, and here a hunter safety course is all you need to apply for a license.
I'm going to deduce, based on the description of events and the course name, that he wanted a simple course to pass in order to be able to apply for his license, and that the operators of the course were touting it as a CCW course, and then added their own spin into the basic NRA guidelines. Therefore, until he says otherwise, I don't think he was thinking "Ooh, the ultra-basic-newbie-pistol course, I will take this as preparation for my CCW!", I think he was thinking "A course I can take which will let me get my CCW, awesomesauce." |
August 10, 2006, 10:28 PM | #86 |
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A few things...
Being an NRA certified instructor doesn't mean you're an NRA employee. While there may be NRA certified instructors that ARE NRA employees, that is by far the exception. The fact that the class took place at the NRA is, similarly, not evidence that the instructors were NRA employees. An NRA CI can lose his certification if it can be shown that he deviated from the syllabus set forth by the NRA course material or otherwise failed to teach the course in the approved manner. If you feel that the instructor departed from the material set forth in the course materials then you should bring it to the attention of the NRA training department. NRA CIs are required to renew their certification (which involves paying a small fee) every three years or so. The rules state that an NRA CI must teach a certain number of courses in order to be elegible for renewal, but that rule is not strictly enforced. There is an NRA CCW course, but it is very new--a recent development. And lastly, to respond to the comment that the NRA is pro gun control: There is a difference between compromise and endorsement. Even the rabidly anti-gun Rebecca Peters of IANSA is willing to allow gun owners to retain some firearms--does that compromise make her pro-gun? Hardly. You're free to disagree with the NRA, I do in many respects. I think it's great that you want them to change--I do too, in many ways. But it's silly to say the NRA is pro-gun control--just as silly as it is to say that Rebecca Peters is pro-gun. Both are willing to compromise to achieve their goals, that is a far cry from either of them endorsing the other's agenda.
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August 11, 2006, 12:13 AM | #88 |
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Scrotal fortitude???
Cupcake??? Need I say more? Closed, with apologies to those who tried to keep this on a civil course
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