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January 5, 2011, 09:52 PM | #1 |
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Pre 86 , the good ole days ?
Ok Im a 82 so i was about 4 yrs old when the ban came in but what was it like before then . I dout you could stroll into kmart and buy a smg . what were the prices like and the laws surrounding the class 3 guns . tax stamps , forms , places to buy ect . who do I have to blame for my missed fun . fill me in here
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January 5, 2011, 09:54 PM | #2 |
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Tax stamps have been required since 1934.
'86 just closed the registry to new civilian use registrations of machine guns. Prices of full autos were not much more than their semiauto variants prior to the '86 registry closure, but the beaurocratic/regulatory brouhaha was in place well prior.
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You have to blame the NRA who supported the Gun Control Act of 1986, which was to improve things, the Democrats who at the last minute added the machinegun ban, the NRA who felt that was a fine trade off to gain the rest of the bill's good features, and President Ronald Regan who signed it into law.
Mostly you have to blame your neighbors who put up with this type of liberal crap. Since all other NFA items are current production if you are not building and buying Silencers, AOWs, sawed off rifles and shotguns and Destructive devices, then you are not getting in on the cheap good old days of other NFA before the future ban of those items. So no since you are no longer ignorant it's your fault if you do not follow through with something you can do now legally. |
January 6, 2011, 07:18 AM | #4 |
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When I got my first rifle.... I ordered it from Sears & Roebuck...and got it in the mail in two days...
... .Mail,,, as in the mailbox at our farm... ...no FFL... Dont know if they had them back then,,,no background checks,,, no waiting,,, no NICS.. nothing...notta...
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January 6, 2011, 10:15 AM | #5 |
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In 1984 I bought a new Rock Island M60 for 1995.00 . Those WERE the good old days. Pan
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January 6, 2011, 01:30 PM | #6 |
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I know the deal with the sawed offs and f/a ect but what is so bad about a sbr ' short barrel rifle ' ? seems like it would have less velocity that a long barrel
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January 6, 2011, 02:01 PM | #7 |
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It's more concealable, which is the same rationale for short barreled shotguns.
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January 6, 2011, 03:17 PM | #8 |
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does b.a.t.f.e have nothing better to do , id rather work for the irs
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January 6, 2011, 09:42 PM | #9 |
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Dave ; As I recall at the time it was a repulican - Bob Dole whom shanked us in the back and of course the demoslobik party ran with it much to their delight. It was called the "DOLE amendment and the good old days sunset was May 1986.
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Machine Gun Ban: The Hughes Amendment
As debate for FOPA was in its final stages in the House before moving on to the Senate, Rep. William J. Hughes (D-N.J.) proposed several amendments including House Amendment 777 to H.R. 4332 [4] that would ban a civilian from ownership or transfer rights of any fully automatic weapon which was not registered as of May 19, 1986. The amendment also held that any such weapon manufactured and registered before the May 19 cutoff date could still be legally owned and transferred by civilians. In the morning hours of April 10, 1986, the House held recorded votes on three amendments to FOPA in Record Vote No's 72, 73, and 74. Recorded Vote 72 was on H.AMDT. 776, an amendment to H.AMDT 770 involving the interstate sale of handguns; while Recorded Vote 74 was on H.AMDT 770, involving primarily the easing of interstate sales and the safe passage provision. Recorded Vote 73 was the controversial Hughes Amendment that called for the banning of machine guns. On page 18 of the Congressional Transcript cited to herein, Rep. Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.), at the time presiding as Chairman over the proceedings, claimed that the "ayes appeared to have it." Nevertheless, Congressman Sensenbrenner demanded a recorded vote. Record Vote 73 was taken by electronic device; the result was: ayes 124, noes 298, not voting 12.[5] The Hughes Amendment regarding the banning of machine guns was defeated in Record Vote 73. The bill, H.R. 4332, as a whole passed in Record Vote No: 75. Nevertheless, the Senate, in S.B. 49, adopted H.R. 4332 as an amendment to the final bill, which included the defeated Hughes Amendment. It was subsequently passed and signed on May 19, 1986 by President Ronald Reagan to become Public Law 99-308, the Firearms Owners' Protection Act. |
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This is a fairly complete list of the provisions of the 1986 FOPA.
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I have always read and heard you cannot do this. Or is it making it ok specifically for private companies to do so, such as UPS, Fedex, etc? Or, possibly, did it initially mean USPS but has been amended since? Such as a few of the others were in the AWB?
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Yup, I believe that's an error. I'll fix it.
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January 7, 2011, 10:41 PM | #16 |
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Wasn't sure. All I know is I'd be one very happy camper if one could use one of the medium "fat rate priority" boxes from USPS for the $10.70 it costs. You could stuff a lot of boxes in their.
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We're getting off track. The OP asked what it was like pre-86 re NFA items. Well I've been around a while so let me chime in. Way back when the dinosaurs roamed the earth you could order Thompsons from several companies, by mail, that had been "deactivated" by pouring lead into the chambers. Later they actually tack welded a rod in the chamber. but they could still be freely purchased. Dewats and deactivated machine guns were not registered at all.
I can recall openly buying machine guns at gun shows in the early 60's. No one really seemed to care, at least in my area. They may have been under the table but they were sure there, and cheap. I can recall buying a .50 M2HB for $350 at one show in 1965 and I registered this gun during the 68 amnesty. I subsequently sold it and now I sure wish I had held on to it. Parts to convert M1 carbines to M2 were easily purchased and they were cheap. Most MG parts were very cheap and easily obtainable. There didn't seem to be a whole lot of interest in them at that time probably because most prople didn't have the disposable income to buy ammo for them even though the ammo was pretty cheap. I bought two pallet loads of .50 BMG ammo from Ed Agramonte in NYC for .10 a round, new in spam cans, a mix of AP, API, tracer, APIT, and ball. I remember buying .30-06 belted ammo for as little as 2 cents a round because it was in belts and no one wanted to unlink it. I happened to have a handy, speedy delinker. Ah, those were the days. We'll never see the likes of them again. After 68 up until 86, interest increased in NFA items. It was possible to locate an old war trophy that hadn't been registered, take it to a manufacturer, and get it papered. That put quite a lot of guns into the registry, and I suspect that if BATFE opened up the registry again for either another amnesty or simply allowed someone to register previously unregistered guns, a heck of a lot more guns would come out of closets. But again, I don't expect that to happen any time soon. Thanks for the question which allowed me to wander down memory lane again. It was fun. |
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I always remember this old ad, from Auto Ordnance when people bring up pre-68 and 86
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January 8, 2011, 01:33 PM | #20 |
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well ill tell you that pouring lead and a tack weld would in no way deter me from a.... buying one of those conversation guns . be suprised what a good welder and a dremel tool can do
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