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March 16, 2007, 06:06 AM | #1 |
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Tactical advice for convenience store owners.
My uncle is going away for a while and he asked me to take care of his convenience store (part of his gas station) during week ends. After I said yes he showed me this video and asked me if I can handle this kind of situation if ever.
Well of course, I have to be in condition yellow all the time and I'm planning on removing some of his ad posters stuck on the glass wall so I can always see who's coming. Anybody here works with the same condition as mine? What other advice can you give me. Thanks in advance. I also plan on carrying my G19 or maybe a .357 snub so I won't have to worry about flicking any safeties and just fire on if ever. |
March 16, 2007, 01:46 PM | #2 |
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I don't work in one but here is my advice for you;
1. Wear a vest. Your job puts you at higher risk of being shot than a police officer. Think about it. 2. Wear a firearm(minimum 9mm cal. with good HP ammo) in a manner that allows you to draw it quickly. The few seconds it takes to get a firearm out of deep consealment or from under a counter could be the difference between life and death. 3. Conseal both WELL, you don't want to advertise. 4. Install a simple electronic buzzer lock on the door for use at night, and a good CCTV system for the outside. Keep an eye on both. These 4 things will make you much less of a target, and much more likely to survive if you are attacked. They won't do much of anything for you however, IF YOU DON'T TRAIN. Go to the range at LEAST once a month, and participate in local IDPA and IPSC events.
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March 16, 2007, 02:05 PM | #3 |
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if he had an escape route behind the counter he could have dropped behind, crawled into the tunnel, press a button which locks the doors, and he can come out from behind the fridge and shoot those bastards.
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March 16, 2007, 09:03 PM | #4 |
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Ok is it just me but WTH was that clerk thinking coming up like that and blindly firing? Better to stay down in cover and deal with any threat that comes into view then hitting some poor SOB that comes in at the wrong time to see if the clerk is ok.
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March 16, 2007, 09:12 PM | #5 |
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yeah, that was so stupid.. he was firing into nothing, the perps was long gone, and he was just shooting at thin air. why I dont know..
and the announcer said " He was able to return fire" silly. return to where ? |
March 16, 2007, 09:31 PM | #6 |
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Absolutely wear a vest! Even if the policy of the company is no weapons and not to resist, wear a vest! Sometimes cops have older models they will sell cheep, otherwise pay the price and get a new one. Notice a good vest cost about as much as a good handgun. Still, the vest has many uses. It not only saves you from bullets, but 1/3 of all saves are car crashes! And even if you are just an employee, don't tell a soul that you have or wear a vest. Way to many ex-employees come back with friends to rob the same store, cause they know the layout and when lots of money is present.
Video gear is good for aprehension, but won't save you arse in time of need. Same goes for panic buttons. Not saying they aren't good investments, but rarely do killers worry about such (around here I don't know of any stop-n-rob that dosn't have video, and no doubt panic buttons.) As of wearing a firearm, IF it's legal I'd say yes. If it ain't exactly legal, I'd consider either changing jobs or, uh, doing what you think is right. And like the vest, don't tell a soul you have it! NOBODY.
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March 16, 2007, 09:36 PM | #7 |
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I wonder if he had one in the chamber. It's hard to tell, but it looks like he had to rack the slide before he shot. I wonder if he could have gotten a better shot if he did not have to. Anyone else see that? I'm not certain. I sure hope I could react that well in that scenario. I'm not sure.
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March 16, 2007, 09:43 PM | #8 |
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gun shoulda been closer to him
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March 16, 2007, 10:03 PM | #9 | |
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Video lets you see what is going on outside, and that very well could save your butt.
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March 16, 2007, 10:30 PM | #10 | |
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excuse me black water ops
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March 16, 2007, 10:40 PM | #11 |
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I hate to say it but sometimes it is better to give up the cash instead of risking your life. You can always feign compliance and look for an opportunity later to resist.
The clerk in the video is lucky to be alive. While the shot struck his lung, it could have hit him in the heart or spinal chord. The best thing is to have a drop safe that has a time lock and keep a minimal amount of cash in the drawer. If things look like they are going to get ugly, by all means, fight.
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March 16, 2007, 10:41 PM | #12 |
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no doubt that video isnt going to save your butt. but if something does happen, it makes finding the suspects much much easier. MAKE SURE TEH VIDEO TAPE IS CLEAR!!!!! i cannot tell you how many times i see these security camera videos after something bad goes down and its so blurry and grainy it isnt even funny, almost as good as not even having video cameras in the first place. many record and keep retaping over the same tape. doing this more than a few times seriously degrades the quality of the video. If at all possible see if you can hook the cameras into a computer. the video will be crystal clear. i'm sure this depends on the camera itself.
Panic button good idea like the camera but dont expect any cops to show up until after the fact. Def remove the posters so you got a good view. Vest is a great idea. Training as much as you can. even jsut at your home with the empty gun on drawing in different positions. especially trying to draw w/o making it obvious. I suggest if you have two guns keep one that you feel most comfortable carrying on you, and the other on an ankle holster. or hidden near the register. if you feel tired ect, LOCK THE DOOR you do not want to be asleep when the door opens, even if you sleep light. a few seconds of early warning could mean the difference. prepare for the worst hope for the best and expect nothing to be routine. good luck i hope you and your uncle never have any trouble but you never can be too safe. PS: just saw the video, if only the store owner got a shot straight through that POS's head, man that would have been great justice. |
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March 17, 2007, 01:13 AM | #14 | |
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I firmly feel that if you gonna have to shoot, know what you are shooting at. if you feel otherwise, then that is fine, no need to be immature about it. Nobody NEED TO BE SHOT to know that shooting at nothing is reckless and dangerous and is stupid thing to do. what if your mother was standing outside that convience store door ? how would you feel then ? Right. Also I am not responding to you any more in this thread, I am not here to argue. |
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March 17, 2007, 01:19 AM | #15 | |
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Good advices y'all. Thank you for the responses. Wearing a vest is a great idea as well as the outside tv monitors and panic buttons. I will definitely carry the gun, not hide it under the counter as the guy in the video did.
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March 17, 2007, 01:24 AM | #16 |
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saypek. you have to be ready to die when you get into a gunfight.
everyone knows, that if you shoot him, he may shoot back, and you both be shot. both die later in the hospital. The best defense is not to be shot at all. Hire a 5 dollar an hour guy to be behind the cash register. you can hang out in the office with the shotgun. Here in NYC, many gas station shops are behind bullet proof glass, you might want to try that too. |
March 17, 2007, 01:53 AM | #17 |
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Don't worry over this. I mean be prepared but don't spend your whole time in fear, it won't do you any good. If you notice the video if something like this happens you mind goes into a zone. Some zones are fight some aren't you'll never know unless it happens.
I live my life believing everything happens for a reason, so I don't worry over things. I've had 3 guns pulled on me before but they never pulled the trigger I was lucky, I have worked in bad neighborhoods. I still have to sometimes and I remember what happened before so I watch things closely. |
March 17, 2007, 09:24 AM | #18 |
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While going to college I worked third shift at the edge of town "stop and rob". Happened to me twice. Make sure you can see outside at night with the store lights on. The place I worked had two blind spots at night that were a washout with the in store lights on. Both robbers came from the same area. The owner wouldn't upgrade the lights and "down the road I went". Watch your six.
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March 17, 2007, 11:28 AM | #19 |
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The guy definitely appears to rack the slide and lost some initial advantage as the perp hung over the countertop but did not immediately open fire on the clerk. Previous to that, the clerk lost an even better opportunity by not having a weapon accessible when the armed robber entered the store brandishing a weapon. Looks like a situation ideal for a small-of-back holster, open carry. Discrete when dealing with customers, but always at the ready. No covering garmet, no thumb break or strap. No physical impediments to the draw whatsoever.
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Rude?
Childish? Immature? Closed! Saypek, feel free to give it another try. Maybe we can keep a new one free of personal attacks. Smokin Joe, you have mail.
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