whats loaded in your shotty? - Page 2

Nimitz87 · April 27, 2005, 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lt102

Oh by the way what is "cruiser ready"?

John recommends "cruiser ready" (full magazine, empty chamber, hammer down, safety off).....

thats off of John Farnams FAQ ....

Chad

emt118 · April 27, 2005, 10:30 PM

12GAGE PUMP 00 BUCK IN CHAMBER THAN SLUG ,00 BUCK ,SLUG AND SO ON
LOADED CHAMBERED WITH SAFTY ON AND IN THE CORNER OF THE BED ROOM
( No kids in the home just me)

Dead · May 1, 2005, 04:39 PM

I would use #2 shot.

Nnobby45 · May 3, 2005, 01:21 AM

Most shotguns, like the 870, are NOT drop safe. The safety keeps the trigger from being pulled, but doesn't prevent the hammer from getting loose and allowing the gun to fire if it's dropped. Carry cruiser ready. As mentioned above, that's chamber empty on a pulled trigger. That way you can just rack and shoot. Kept in the house, for safety reasons, some even keep chamber empty on a cocked gun. That way, the side stop lever has to be activated to rack the shotun. An added safety feature if the wrong person got a hold of the gun.

Low recoil Tactical buck, 00 or 000 from Federal or Winchester Ranger work fine. Forget 3" mag buckshot loads, or short magnum, also (ther're people out there who actually use that stuff

). Save the heavy stuff for dangerous (and big) 4 legged critters. Fast followup shots can be a life saver against intruders. If the bad guys duck behing the couch, even #4 buck may not defeat the cover. You have to measure your own over penetration safety concerns. Personally, I'd like to see some LE low recoil #1buck.

On the other hand, rifles that are unloaded make Farnham nervous. The M16, Mini 14 and most all combat rifles have a good safety system that actually blocks the hammer from falling. The rifles are drop safe.

hummelsander · May 4, 2005, 07:52 PM

Um...uhhh...ummmmm

Empty??

I have some birdshot 7.5's to load in there but it's really and truly empty.

Whew, glad I got that off my chest.

HighVelocity · May 4, 2005, 08:58 PM

6 rounds of 12ga Winchester Ranger low recoil 00 Buck. 2 3/4" low brass.

Bob Freddy · May 5, 2005, 08:14 PM

870 w/ 00,00,Slug,00,00,Slug

00 is Winchester Super X Low Recoil 2 3/4
Slugs are Federal Maximum Hi Shock 2 3/4

Cruiser mode, saftey off

concealed but quickly accessible

BOB

Planning to switch to some Ranger Low recoil 00 8 pellet and Slugs

Death from Afar · May 5, 2005, 08:51 PM

Sorry guys, I do have a bit of a thing about leaving LOADED weapons lying around. Surely, if you have enough warning of a goblin coming into your house, you have enough time to grab a load of shells and cock your weapon. I would NEVER leave a loaded weapon in the house- firstly its illegal- but also I have a young boy. I just think it is a big risk.

Also, what is to stop the goblin getting to the weapon before you do? you just have handed him a loaded weapon on a plate.

I have the shotgun unloaded, but a bandolier of 00 within arms reach ( high) - to go from loaded to unloaded will take me 3 seconds.

Just my 2 cents.

Wraith · May 5, 2005, 11:45 PM

8 slugs in the tube, 1 in the pipe, saftey on.

Why? Slugs don't seem to deform nearly as much as other rounds. I never really realized how big a role deformation in shotgun rounds plays until I couldn't get my 590 to feed.

Besides... I can hit anything with slugs out of my 590.

As for leaving loaded weapons around, I don't have a problem with it. There aren't any little kids, the youngest being 14. When I'm not actually home I lock all the weapons up--I usually take the SKS or the 590 out when I am.

Everyone in the house should know that weapons are always loaded--I have a reminder posted in the safe.

Doug Bowser · May 6, 2005, 01:26 PM

I have just joined the forum. I teach NRA Firearms Defense in the Home. I do not think slugs and buckshot are the best choice for Home Defense. Too much penetration (you don't want to shoot your family members through a wall). #7-1/2 shot in a trap load is all that is needed. The shot group at home defense shooting distances is about 8", even with my 18" riot barrel for my 870. As one of the other forum members said, It makes mush out of anything you make a solid hit on.

Doug Bowser

Death from Afar · May 7, 2005, 04:37 AM

Wraith- I hear you , and I guess I have a young son and you know what they are like ! but I just feel very uneasy about loaded weapons "unattended"...

Kyote · May 10, 2005, 08:36 AM

Mosberg 500 Crusier. 8 rounds, first is high base copper BB, then 4 #4 buck (34 pellet count), finally 3 00 buck. Im not going to wound him with 7 1/2 and then support him the rest of my natural life! He (or she) is DRT.

IZHUMINTER · May 10, 2005, 08:59 AM

My Saiga-12 has 2 5-round magazines of 3' #4 and one magazine of 3' 00. I'm seriously considering having it rebuilt from the "sporter" to the "AK" configuration as well as picking up some 8 round mags...

45 Fu · May 10, 2005, 09:41 AM

5 Winchester Supreme 3" magnum buffered and plated 00 buck (15 pellets), with the same in the butt cuff. Chamber empty, hammer down, safety on. I know, I know, why put the safety on when the chamber is empty? It's just habit. When I lay a weapon down, or it leaves my hands, the safety is always on - it's a habit that I plan on sticking with. I shot a 1911 so long it took me forever to stop reaching with my thumb for the safety on my Glock.

I'm not in the city, but I'm not "out there" either, so I don't use slugs. I have them if I need them, but not with the weapon.

I have also used the 2 3/4" S&B 00 buck, and it works pretty well.

FirstFreedom · May 10, 2005, 02:04 PM

#4 buck (not 4 shot). Say, does anyone have a link to a picture comparison of all shot sizes...I can't find one.

FirstFreedom · May 10, 2005, 02:33 PM

Here, found it

Click on "Shotshell Guide" on the left side, a little ways down:

http://www.winchester.com/products/c...shotshell.aspx

Page 1 of the box is shot, page 2 buckshot sizes.

Ohio Annie · May 10, 2005, 03:07 PM

you and me got the same setup.

Nimitz87 · May 10, 2005, 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by death from afar

Sorry guys, I do have a bit of a thing about leaving LOADED weapons lying around. Surely, if you have enough warning of a goblin coming into your house, you have enough time to grab a load of shells and cock your weapon. I would NEVER leave a loaded weapon in the house- firstly its illegal- but also I have a young boy. I just think it is a big risk.

Also, what is to stop the goblin getting to the weapon before you do? you just have handed him a loaded weapon on a plate.

I have the shotgun unloaded, but a bandolier of 00 within arms reach ( high) - to go from loaded to unloaded will take me 3 seconds.

Just my 2 cents.

heh....its illegal is it?

but anyway i load and unload the shotgun each day...its a huge PITA but im not going to leave a loaded SG under the bed incase my home is broken into while im gone.

so the 870 is loaded each night before dark... the 1911 on the other hand is in the drawer loaded in condtion #1 24/7....

Chad

Multi-G · May 11, 2005, 08:04 PM

Two old beat up, well worn 870's are cruiser ready with full tubes of good old Winchester XB100. 2.75in 9 pellet 00Buck. A good classic load for these good classic PoPo trade ins. They currenlty serve as bedroom defense. At my house PMS stands for Pass My Shotgun. (ThanksGG26)

The big M1S90 is Surefire and Sidesaddle equipped. Yes it runs with weak ammo with all the crap on it. It carries Hornaday TAP red 00 Buck in the tube with 3 more on the side accompanied by 3 Winchester 1oz slugs. It is in chamber empty shell on carrier go get the gobblin mode.

Glockgirl26 · May 12, 2005, 10:31 AM

Quote:

At my house PMS stands for Pass My Shotgun. (ThanksGG26)

No problem Sweetie.

pdmoderator · May 20, 2005, 08:02 PM

2 rounds of ∞-gauge.

(I use other stuff for HD, but have some Federal low-recoil 00 on hand, just in case.)

- pdmoderator

Diggers · May 24, 2005, 07:11 PM

Heheh, should I mention the artical I read about #7 shot being good for HD and 00 going through the BG and the wall?................Oh, ok I won't then.

Nimitz87 · May 24, 2005, 10:07 PM

after reading the http://www.theboxotruth.com/ i believe im going to swith out the 00 buck for #4...not sure yet i may do some tests of my own.

but i cant have the 00 buck going through 6-7 walls...not good....

i suggest others to read that website...

Chad

rwilson452 · May 24, 2005, 10:13 PM

For my 12ga house gun Federal #4 Buck tactical loads Part #H132 4B I found that this load is just right for that top of the stairs to the bottom of the stairs shot. I live in a 2nd floor walkup apt. If someone comes in the front door, they will eat either all of the pattern or darn near the whole pattern provided I do my part. the nice thing is we have outside security lights on all night. anyone at or in the doorway is backlighted and the top is very dark unless I turn on a light. Jack my local PD Chief is very understanding about intruders.

partyguy816 · May 24, 2005, 11:29 PM

"All are Dragon's breath. I can always repaint the room."

Uh ok whatever dude. I have 6 #4's in the tube and chamber and I'm about to have 6 slugs in the side saddle when it arrives.

May 1, 2005, 04:39 PM	#28
Dead Senior Member Join Date: June 5, 2000 Location: AoW Land, USA Posts: 1,968	I would use #2 shot. __________________ Dead [Black Ops] www.therallypoint.org

May 5, 2005, 08:51 PM	#33
Death from Afar Senior Member Join Date: November 7, 2004 Location: Living the dream in Christchurch, NEW ZEALAND Posts: 1,635	Sorry guys, I do have a bit of a thing about leaving LOADED weapons lying around. Surely, if you have enough warning of a goblin coming into your house, you have enough time to grab a load of shells and cock your weapon. I would NEVER leave a loaded weapon in the house- firstly its illegal- but also I have a young boy. I just think it is a big risk. Also, what is to stop the goblin getting to the weapon before you do? you just have handed him a loaded weapon on a plate. I have the shotgun unloaded, but a bandolier of 00 within arms reach ( high) - to go from loaded to unloaded will take me 3 seconds. Just my 2 cents. __________________ "Beware of the Man with one gun...he probably isnt into guns enough to be safe with it".

May 5, 2005, 11:45 PM	#34
Wraith Senior Member Join Date: July 22, 2004 Location: The Free State Posts: 498	8 slugs in the tube, 1 in the pipe, saftey on. Why? Slugs don't seem to deform nearly as much as other rounds. I never really realized how big a role deformation in shotgun rounds plays until I couldn't get my 590 to feed. Besides... I can hit anything with slugs out of my 590. As for leaving loaded weapons around, I don't have a problem with it. There aren't any little kids, the youngest being 14. When I'm not actually home I lock all the weapons up--I usually take the SKS or the 590 out when I am. Everyone in the house should know that weapons are always loaded--I have a reminder posted in the safe. __________________ June 23, 2003 GRATZ et al. v. BOLLINGER et al. The day America died. Never Forget 9/11. Cold dead hands...

May 7, 2005, 04:37 AM	#36
Death from Afar Senior Member Join Date: November 7, 2004 Location: Living the dream in Christchurch, NEW ZEALAND Posts: 1,635	Wraith- I hear you , and I guess I have a young son and you know what they are like ! but I just feel very uneasy about loaded weapons "unattended"... __________________ "Beware of the Man with one gun...he probably isnt into guns enough to be safe with it".

May 10, 2005, 08:36 AM	#37
Kyote Senior Member Join Date: December 31, 2004 Location: New Mexico Posts: 183	Mosberg 500 Crusier. 8 rounds, first is high base copper BB, then 4 #4 buck (34 pellet count), finally 3 00 buck. Im not going to wound him with 7 1/2 and then support him the rest of my natural life! He (or she) is DRT. __________________ An armed society is a polite society.

April 27, 2005, 10:30 PM	#27
emt118 Member Join Date: February 23, 2005 Posts: 37	12GAGE PUMP 00 BUCK IN CHAMBER THAN SLUG ,00 BUCK ,SLUG AND SO ON LOADED CHAMBERED WITH SAFTY ON AND IN THE CORNER OF THE BED ROOM ( No kids in the home just me)

May 3, 2005, 01:21 AM	#29
Nnobby45 Senior Member Join Date: November 20, 2004 Posts: 3,150	Most shotguns, like the 870, are NOT drop safe. The safety keeps the trigger from being pulled, but doesn't prevent the hammer from getting loose and allowing the gun to fire if it's dropped. Carry cruiser ready. As mentioned above, that's chamber empty on a pulled trigger. That way you can just rack and shoot. Kept in the house, for safety reasons, some even keep chamber empty on a cocked gun. That way, the side stop lever has to be activated to rack the shotun. An added safety feature if the wrong person got a hold of the gun. Low recoil Tactical buck, 00 or 000 from Federal or Winchester Ranger work fine. Forget 3" mag buckshot loads, or short magnum, also (ther're people out there who actually use that stuff ). Save the heavy stuff for dangerous (and big) 4 legged critters. Fast followup shots can be a life saver against intruders. If the bad guys duck behing the couch, even #4 buck may not defeat the cover. You have to measure your own over penetration safety concerns. Personally, I'd like to see some LE low recoil #1buck. On the other hand, rifles that are unloaded make Farnham nervous. The M16, Mini 14 and most all combat rifles have a good safety system that actually blocks the hammer from falling. The rifles are drop safe.

May 4, 2005, 07:52 PM	#30
hummelsander Senior Member Join Date: November 20, 2004 Location: Camano Island, Washington Posts: 223	Um...uhhh...ummmmm Empty?? I have some birdshot 7.5's to load in there but it's really and truly empty. Whew, glad I got that off my chest.

May 4, 2005, 08:58 PM	#31
HighVelocity Senior Member Join Date: January 1, 2005 Location: DFW, TX Posts: 220	6 rounds of 12ga Winchester Ranger low recoil 00 Buck. 2 3/4" low brass.

May 5, 2005, 08:14 PM	#32
Bob Freddy Member Join Date: June 26, 2004 Location: Far SS Chicago Posts: 84	870 w/ 00,00,Slug,00,00,Slug 00 is Winchester Super X Low Recoil 2 3/4 Slugs are Federal Maximum Hi Shock 2 3/4 Cruiser mode, saftey off concealed but quickly accessible BOB Planning to switch to some Ranger Low recoil 00 8 pellet and Slugs

May 6, 2005, 01:26 PM	#35
Doug Bowser Senior Member Join Date: May 6, 2005 Posts: 163	I have just joined the forum. I teach NRA Firearms Defense in the Home. I do not think slugs and buckshot are the best choice for Home Defense. Too much penetration (you don't want to shoot your family members through a wall). #7-1/2 shot in a trap load is all that is needed. The shot group at home defense shooting distances is about 8", even with my 18" riot barrel for my 870. As one of the other forum members said, It makes mush out of anything you make a solid hit on. Doug Bowser

May 10, 2005, 08:59 AM	#38
IZHUMINTER Senior Member Join Date: May 6, 2005 Location: Darmstadt Posts: 240	My Saiga-12 has 2 5-round magazines of 3' #4 and one magazine of 3' 00. I'm seriously considering having it rebuilt from the "sporter" to the "AK" configuration as well as picking up some 8 round mags... __________________ "Certainly there is no hunting like the hunting of man and those who have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never really care for anything else thereafter." -Ernest Hemingway, On The Blue Water: A Gulf Stream Letter

May 10, 2005, 09:41 AM	#39
45 Fu Senior Member Join Date: May 18, 2004 Posts: 422	5 Winchester Supreme 3" magnum buffered and plated 00 buck (15 pellets), with the same in the butt cuff. Chamber empty, hammer down, safety on. I know, I know, why put the safety on when the chamber is empty? It's just habit. When I lay a weapon down, or it leaves my hands, the safety is always on - it's a habit that I plan on sticking with. I shot a 1911 so long it took me forever to stop reaching with my thumb for the safety on my Glock. I'm not in the city, but I'm not "out there" either, so I don't use slugs. I have them if I need them, but not with the weapon. I have also used the 2 3/4" S&B 00 buck, and it works pretty well. __________________ The pen is mightier than the sword - unless you are facing a man armed with a sword, then the pen is pretty much useless. 45 Fu

May 10, 2005, 02:04 PM	#40
FirstFreedom Junior member Join Date: May 31, 2004 Location: The Toll Road State, U.S.A. Posts: 12,451	#4 buck (not 4 shot). Say, does anyone have a link to a picture comparison of all shot sizes...I can't find one.

May 10, 2005, 02:33 PM	#41
FirstFreedom Junior member Join Date: May 31, 2004 Location: The Toll Road State, U.S.A. Posts: 12,451	Here, found it Click on "Shotshell Guide" on the left side, a little ways down: http://www.winchester.com/products/c...shotshell.aspx Page 1 of the box is shot, page 2 buckshot sizes.

May 10, 2005, 03:07 PM	#42
Ohio Annie Senior Member Join Date: August 10, 2004 Location: Ohio Posts: 351	hey Russ you and me got the same setup. __________________ Annie @8-) Maker of fine GSR since 1998

May 11, 2005, 08:04 PM	#44
Multi-G Member Join Date: November 3, 2001 Location: Ohio Posts: 15	Two old beat up, well worn 870's are cruiser ready with full tubes of good old Winchester XB100. 2.75in 9 pellet 00Buck. A good classic load for these good classic PoPo trade ins. They currenlty serve as bedroom defense. At my house PMS stands for Pass My Shotgun. (ThanksGG26) The big M1S90 is Surefire and Sidesaddle equipped. Yes it runs with weak ammo with all the crap on it. It carries Hornaday TAP red 00 Buck in the tube with 3 more on the side accompanied by 3 Winchester 1oz slugs. It is in chamber empty shell on carrier go get the gobblin mode.

May 20, 2005, 08:02 PM	#46
pdmoderator Registration in progress Join Date: November 6, 2001 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,202	2 rounds of ∞-gauge. (I use other stuff for HD, but have some Federal low-recoil 00 on hand, just in case.) - pdmoderator __________________ Give up no state. Give up no ground.

May 24, 2005, 07:11 PM	#47
Diggers Senior Member Join Date: May 1, 2005 Posts: 366	Heheh, should I mention the artical I read about #7 shot being good for HD and 00 going through the BG and the wall?................Oh, ok I won't then.

May 24, 2005, 10:13 PM	#49
rwilson452 Senior Member Join Date: June 10, 2004 Location: Tioga co. PA Posts: 2,647	shotty loads For my 12ga house gun Federal #4 Buck tactical loads Part #H132 4B I found that this load is just right for that top of the stairs to the bottom of the stairs shot. I live in a 2nd floor walkup apt. If someone comes in the front door, they will eat either all of the pattern or darn near the whole pattern provided I do my part. the nice thing is we have outside security lights on all night. anyone at or in the doorway is backlighted and the top is very dark unless I turn on a light. Jack my local PD Chief is very understanding about intruders. Last edited by rwilson452; May 24, 2005 at 10:28 PM. Reason: more info

May 24, 2005, 11:29 PM	#50
partyguy816 Member Join Date: October 5, 2004 Posts: 80	"All are Dragon's breath. I can always repaint the room." Uh ok whatever dude. I have 6 #4's in the tube and chamber and I'm about to have 6 slugs in the side saddle when it arrives.